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For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:04 am

Hello!

I'm looking for originality and I thought that a little change would be nice to see. I uploaded this shot, and I wondered what you thought about it? It the motive acceptable? Thanks for your help! Best regards, Philippe

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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:11 am

It's a bordercase, I like it though. I'd upload a 1024x683 version because the quality isn't there. Just a user input, no screener here.  Smile

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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:17 am

They could have cleaned it for you first! Big grin

To be honest I like it but I don't think it's anet in which case they will probably accept it and it will be top of the day.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:27 am

It's a difficult one. But I would resize a tad - just to make the quality a bit better. Quality is ok on it currently I think, but a bit smaller will help you alot more.
 
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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:35 am

Hello Philippe.

Firstly, my congratulations to you on thinking about the originality of the shot.

Generally I think close up shots can make interesting subjects, but also they can be easier to criticise on motive grounds. The things to be wary of that came into my mind on first viewing were:

From a more purely photographic point of view, I think the motive would have been significantly enhanced by having the 'apex' of the Alitalia logo on the tail complete (i.e. the top of the triangle) - that way it would have been a nice 'mirror' for the complete logo on the winglet (if you follow my meaning). As it is, the crop could be seen as awkward at the top of the shot.

Also, the fact that the winglet slightly blocks the complete view of the rear of the engine could count against you. That, and the blocked horizontal stabiliser, could leave some feeling that things look a little 'tangled'.

Cheers.

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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:23 am

Thanks for the comments guys, nice to see at leat it seems like you do like this type of pictures.

Okay I resized it and used another shot I took a sec before, that shows the inglet behind the engine. That would take the "hiding" problem away. I also made the crop higher on the triangle and resized to 1024. It looks nice but I feel like the back it a lof of "emptiness". What do you think?

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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:28 am

First crop is better IMO

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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting PipoA380 (Thread starter):
I uploaded this shot, and I wondered what you thought about it?

I don't like the dead space in the lower right corner, and I would level it some. I would have waited until the registration was out of the shadow too.

I don't like the resized version at all, it looks 'forced'. I think it will earn a NOA_Motive email.
 
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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:32 pm

i agree with the resized version looking a bit forced. i don't think it'll make A.net..but man its a cool shot for your own records!
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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:54 pm

Should I just leave the first one then? I think it looks nicer that the second too. Any screener advice? Thanks
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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:05 pm

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 9):
Should I just leave the first one then? I think it looks nicer that the second too. Any screener advice? Thanks

You will have a hard time to get either one through the screening. I'd take the first one and resize to 1024x....

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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:23 pm

Hi Philippe.

I can understand your desire to get a definitive answer here, but I think it may not be possible.

As I see it, your photo takes us into an area of the A.net criteria where there is a significant degree of subjectivity. My own hunch would be that some screeners would interpret the motive 'rules' as I did, and consider that it may not be 'safe' enough to pass. Others may feel, as some do here, that they like the crop and the motive. I would have to agree that, overall, the first crop has something on the second - I would just be unsure about it myself.

It must be hard for a screener to say publicly what they think here, when they may well know that not all their colleagues would necessarily come to the same conclusion. That would just leave them open to criticisms around inconsistency. I think that is the dilemma many experienced uploaders have confronted at times when dealing with subjective elements to criteria. Like it or not, the only way to know the outcome is to upload and take the risk, and make use of the appeal function when you feel that is appropriate. For what it is worth, I would be confident that 'motive' would be the only reason for it not being accepted - everything else is very good.

Whatever you decide, good luck. I think we all have some responsibility to think of novel motives, new angles, different viewpoints etc to keep the database as interesting to viewers as it can be.

All the best.

Paul
 
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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:14 am

Quoting Psych (Reply 11):
Whatever you decide, good luck. I think we all have some responsibility to think of novel motives, new angles, different viewpoints etc to keep the database as interesting to viewers as it can be.

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... and one should take the risk of a possible rejection, because if you think you have something worth sharing, why should you not try to get it accepted. A rejection is not the end of the world  Smile

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RE: For A Change! Acceptable Motive?

Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 12):
and one should take the risk of a possible rejection, because if you think you have something worth sharing, why should you not try to get it accepted. A rejection is not the end of the world

I fully agree! Thanks for all your comments (Special thx to Paul!) and I'll leave the first pic in the queue then. Best regards!
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