simtim
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Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:53 am

Greetings Gentlemen,

I am deperately trying to get into the wonderful hobby of aviation photography. Although I suppose arguments could be made to the effect I am a "member" - I would like to become more serious.

None of my photos have made it through the screening process of a.net - and that is understandable when I look at my pictures objectively and compare them to others which did pass the test. I believe the fault lies with my camera, which is currently a Sony DSC-H1. My software used to edit the photos could also use an upgrade, which is currently Corel Paint Shop Pro X.

Overwhelmingly, the overall consensus I can gather from reading previous posts is that the preferred camera is the Canon EOS 30D. I've done my research on it, and it would undoubtedly make a fine machine. But I am torn, since Sony is coming out with their first SLR camera soon, the Sony DSLR-A100 which also has very respectable schematics.

My general question is, should I purchase the "old reliable" Canon, or should I take a chance with the new technology of Sony?

In regards to software, I understand that Photoshop is the way to go. Is Adobe Photoshop Elements good for our hobby or should I go with the whole $600 suite?

Thanks to all, I value your opinions a great deal.

- Tim
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Newark777
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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:55 am

Do you shoot other things besides aviation related subjects?

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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:04 am

Quoting Simtim (Thread starter):
should I purchase the "old reliable" Canon, or should I take a chance with the new technology of Sony?

Sony's alpha DSLR isn't based on new technology. They bought out Konica Minolta's business a while ago, and as far as I can tell they just rebadged this one a Sony. The big thing about an SLR is the lens. Canon has the widest selection, and they're the most established within the marketplace. Go with Canon and you won't regret it.

Quoting Simtim (Thread starter):
In regards to software, I understand that Photoshop is the way to go. Is Adobe Photoshop Elements good for our hobby or should I go with the whole $600 suite?

The basic rule of thumb is that Photoshop Elements gives you 90% of the functionality of CS2 at 20% of the price. Unless you're going to be doing some pretty serious stuff, go with Elements.

I happen to have the full CS2 version, but my college has a special agreement with Adobe so it cost me something like 30 bucks. I wasn't about to turn down an offer like that.  biggrin 
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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 2):
Canon has the widest selection, and they're the most established within the marketplace.

Depends on who you're asking. I believe Nikon has a wider selection of 35mm lenses but when it comes down to it, you're really only using (for this site, not real photography  Smile) two or three common pieces of glass which both (and others) offer so you can't go wrong with Canon, Nikon, Sony or Pentax (did I leave any DSLR makers out?)

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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:21 am

Quoting Simtim (Thread starter):
I believe the fault lies with my camera, which is currently a Sony DSC-H1

It's down to you not the camera. There is no reason at all why you can't get pics on here with that camera. It's all about knowing your limitations and working within them and working around them - that's a very good camera - just learn how to get the best out of it.  Wink
 
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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 4):

It's down to you not the camera.

Which is why you should learn to photograph properly before shooting planes. There is so much more to cameras than just driving to the airport and shooting planes on approach.

Harry
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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:34 am

My 2nd 30D is working very well. My first one had issues, I wasnt pleased with it so I sent it back for a new one. I wont lie, some copies have QA issues, hopefully by the time you order it (if you decide to) all will be working the way they should be.
 
simtim
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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:20 am

Thanks all for your comments and valued advice.

I generally shoot only aircraft, except while on vacation. I will definately get Photoshop Elements and am leaning towards the Canon. (I do know that other prefer Nikon  cool  )

I've recently come across a couple of very good digital camera-related web sites with loads of information. I'll be studying!

- Tim
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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:13 am

Quoting Simtim (Reply 7):
I will definately get Photoshop Elements and am leaning towards the Canon.

Correct me if I am wrong but some Canon cameras have Photoshop Elements with them when purchased?

I am a happy Nikon user.  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:41 am

Quoting Simtim (Reply 7):
I will definately get Photoshop Elements

Just as a note: I've been using Corel Paint Shop Pro X for about 5 months now and my acceptance ratio is higher then ever in the last 1.5 years, so I kinda doubt that the processing software is the issue here.

P.S.: I'm a VERY happy Nikon user  veryhappy 

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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 9):

Just as a note: I've been using Corel Paint Shop Pro X for about 5 months now and my acceptance ratio is higher then ever in the last 1.5 years, so I kinda doubt that the processing software is the issue here.

People who blame their equipment first, and themselves later, don't improve as much, especially if you primarily shoot aircraft.

From a very happy Pentax user.  Wink

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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting Kereru (Reply 8):

Correct me if I am wrong but some Canon cameras have Photoshop Elements with them when purchased?

I believe you are right. I know a person that bought one a few days back and It had Elements. Not sure on the version though.
 
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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:17 pm

Tim,

From one Chief to another....

Go with Canon. You are buying a 'system'. Sony may produce a fine camera, but it's the lenses and other accessories that they lack depth and experience with. Give them a few years and maybe they will be worth looking at.

You will enjoy the 30d, Elements 4 should be adequate.

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simtim
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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:00 pm

Thank you All,

Kereru, I have downloaded the Adobe Photoshop Elements 4 trial version. It does not appear to be much different than Corel Paint Shop Pro X ThierryD, but if I indeed get the Canon I will let you all know if Elements is included.

Newark777, I certainly realise I may indeed be part of the problem when shooting acceptable photos. But after analyzing the pictures I have taken with my "old" camera, I do not believe any of them would be salvageable.

Thank you JeffM! I am starting to believe the old axiom that you get what you pay for. I was attracted to the new Sony since it has higher megapixels at a lower cost. Canon will most likely get my $$$.  highfive 

- Tim
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Newark777
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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:07 pm

Quoting Simtim (Reply 13):

Newark777, I certainly realise I may indeed be part of the problem when shooting acceptable photos. But after analyzing the pictures I have taken with my "old" camera, I do not believe any of them would be salvageable.

Didn't say you were part of a problem. Just that it's better to improve your skills and then assess where you are standing, rather than come out and blame equipment.

Harry
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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:05 pm

Hi Simtim,

lots of valuable info already in this thread. If I may add my thoughts: I have used SLR's since a long time, and made the move to a DSLR about a year ago. I've only done aviation photography since a year or two. Just talking about aviation photography, I am now in the luxury position of getting technically good results with limited talent/skills but great equipment, so of course it is easy for me to state that equipment doesn't really matter. Just these few words to put things in perspective.

Now, as to your situation, I would think you must be able to get shots accepted that are made with the H1. Next to my Nikon D70, I still use an almost 3-year old Sony DSC-V1, and had a few pics accepted as recently as last week. All my oldest shots accepted here are Sony products. The pics accepted last week showed rare registrations; I wouldn't use the Sony for any demanding situations. I know its limitations but I always carry it when I'm travelling, and it serves the purpose of snapping a few aviation pics here and there very well. Apart from that, it's still a fantastic little camera for travel, vacation, family photos. Every so often I can (even) surprise myself when careful thinking leads to a really good photograph, without using amazingly expensive equipment. Using it as a snapshot camera is also still very rewarding.

But no matter how you try, your H1 will still remain a point-and-shoot camera so you would find the move to a (D)SLR to be an amazing step. Action photos are also possible on P&S cameras, but you'll get much more out of an SLR; not in the least the access to a huge range of lenses. Go with Canon by all means, if that is what you prefer and have been advised. You will see that new technical opportunities will open that (once again, limiting it purely to aviation photography) may not have been available to you until now. But do read up on all the possibilities of such a camera, and try out some other photography (some might say, some real Photography with capital P) with it as well. Buying the camera just for a.net sake will make you feel good when the first one gets accepted, but that feeling will not stay...

Hope this helps...
 
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RE: Old Reliable

Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:08 pm

Your present camera has its limitations but would be fine for static shots, i.e. parked aircraft.

A DSLR would bring more demanding shots within reach, i.e. flying aircraft. Any of the current crop of DSLRs will do a good job. The forthcoming Sony DSLR is a rebadged Konica Minolta. Nothing wrong with that, and it has image stabilisation built into the body, which makes the lenses a bit cheaper.

Canon v. Nikon? Tribal loyalty aside, it's really a matter of which feels better in the hand. Whatever you do, be prepared to spend more on a good zoom lens than on the camera body. A basic body with a top-class lens will generally be capable of better results than a top-of-the-range body with a cheap lens. The most important element in photography is the eye behind the body. The second most important element is the lens in front of the body. The body comes a distant third.

Photoshop Elements contains just about everything you need, at a huge cost saving over the full version - put the savings towards a high-quality lens.
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