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Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:35 am

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Please don't forget that photographs from the Farnborough air show qualify for Priority Screening. Please ensure that you:
1. Tick the "Priority Screening" box, and
2. Include the precise text "Farnborough International Airshow 2006" in your remark .

Priority screening will be valid until the closure of the show at 23:59 on Sunday 23-July.

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting TZ (Thread starter):
Priority screening will be valid until the closure of the show at 23:59 on Sunday 23-July.

Very nice! Now all screeners are working on Farnborough pics. Defenetely not helping the queque at all. Really dont get why all 10 days are priority?? I think this site is totally heading in the wrong direction ...

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:35 am

I think this site is totally heading in the wrong direction ...

The good news is that you can leave anytime you want! No one will even try to stop you. Honest.
 
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 2):
The good news is that you can leave anytime you want! No one will even try to stop you. Honest.

Dont understand why you are so offensive?
I know that this is a news worthy event and so on, but after the 4th or 5th day the DB is flooded with "Doubles". But anyway I got your message Royal.
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting Rotate (Reply 3):
Dont understand why you are so offensive?

Because he can't take criticism.

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:57 am

My message is this, it is easy to sit and criticize every move that is made by the people that donate their time to run this website. It seems that certain people having nothing better to do but complain about stuff that, in the big picture of life, just isn't that important. So what if there are doubles? If we didn't do it that way the posts would be "you screened his but not mine, boo hoo hoo." And if we did priority screen these then someone would be mad about that. And since we are priority screening these, but not the Glistening Tip, Montana air show someone will be mad about that, too.

You are a talented photographer, but your actions make me wonder if you might not be happier someplace else.
 
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 5):
My message is this, it is easy to sit and criticize every move that is made by the people that donate their time

And without the photographers where would the site be Royal?
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 5):

Your problem is that you take everything personally, then go off on these rants about how much time you put into the site.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 5):
in the big picture of life

In the big picture of life, nothing on this site is important, including all the screening and work here you do.

Guess what? This is only an little internet site, and you seem to think it is something more.

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 20

Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:12 am

Phil, an excellent point. And certainly a valid one. Each member of the screening team is also a photographer, in most cases quite established on this website.

We like getting feedback from our photogs, but criticizing a decision that will benefit alot of photogs seems spiteful. Why not send an email to the screening team? Or take it up in Site Related? There are options.

The worse thing you can do is be like one of those people who can't make the high standards of quality that this site requires, so their "contribution" is to come in here and start threads that are negative.
 
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:14 am

Wow! A simple message to uploaders about Farnborough and WWIII breaks out!  Yeah sure

Here you are guys...one for each of you! Big grin

 
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:58 am

Quoting Rotate (Reply 1):
Very nice! Now all screeners are working on Farnborough pics. Defenetely not helping the queque at all. Really dont get why all 10 days are priority??

Priority or not is not changing a thing; there are 2 possibilities: either the Farnborough pics are screened right away as priority and are removed quickly from the queue or they are left at the end of the queue and fill it up. Either way they will be submitted and will have to pass the screening one day.
However due to the recent news aspect of priority screening they'll normally be added faster to the database and thus this procedure is doing the queue more good as if they were simply added to the end of the queue and would pass ("slow") non-priority screening.
Just a point to take into consideration...

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:07 am

I don't really see why FAB should be made a priority anyway, could someone please explain? Honest, no sarcasm here.....
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:02 am

Will RIAT Fairford be a priority as well ?
 
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting BrianW999 (Reply 12):
Will RIAT Fairford be a priority as well ?

No I don't think so, I believe only trade shows get priority such as Farnborough, Paris and Berlin.

It is usually these shows which display the latest hardware etc and this is why they get priority.

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:36 am

Do we have any evidence that this kind of priority actually slows down the queue for the rest of us? I mean, doesn't it also impose a certain quickness on the photographers that want to upload? That will weed out a lot of the shots that would clog the queue, I would think.

Maybe all that we need is for assurances that the screeners won't let 5000 shots taken from the first day to enter the queue on the last day of priority.

[Edited 2006-07-13 18:37:56]
 
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 20

Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:10 am

Hi all,

Although the system is already in place and the decision made, seeing as others have voiced an opinion I personally would like to see priority for the week before FAB, like Tony Best has been doing, uploading shots already of aircraft arriving for the show etc that way we get to see much of the FAB shots early but it doesn't take screeners time up screening 2,500 shots of the whale on her flying display? It is only a personal view and not in anyway an attack on the system, site or the screeners but not just for the sake of the queue but we will probably end up with nothing but whale shots being uploaded for weeks  bored  I understand Tamsin's post was just to provide info but it's just my take on it and nothing more

Ben

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:33 am

Quoting LGW (Reply 15):
Tamsin's post

Who is that?  scratchchin 

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:15 am

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 16):
Quoting LGW (Reply 15):
Tamsin's post

Who is that?

 
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:13 am

Ok....Just to make sure I'm not smoking crack here....

What exactly are the dates of the Farnborough Air Show.....?

The reason I ask.....I have [trade] tickets to attend the show on the 21st of July (Friday), and the show website (http://www.farnborough.com) lists the dates of the show as 17-23 July...

However, these shots below, and a bunch of others, from July 12th, have just shown up in the database.


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What am I missing? Would I be correct in assuming that these are shots from aircraft rehearsal days or something? I'm on a trip to the States right now and I'm just trying to figure out if I messed up the dates in my planner, or perhaps passed through a black hole on my flight across the pond.....

Thanks!
 
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:29 am

I really think that other air shows should get priority screening, such as Oshkosh for example. Its not like you're going to have two dozen photographers submitting pics from OSH.... I browsed the 13 priority-screened farnborough pics today and most are military a/c...couple performers too including a MiG-29. So, why are they special? Why is a Marines Osprey at this show special? Why would a C-17 at OSH not be the same? Or a B-1 bomber at OSH? Anyway...you get my point. Sure, there are going to be newsworthy moments at FAB - like the A380 and another two dozen shots of it (..rolls eyes) but not every plane.

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 14):
I mean, doesn't it also impose a certain quickness on the photographers that want to upload? That will weed out a lot of the shots that would clog the queue,

On the contrary, It has the potential to clog the priority queue with shots that in the fullness of time and upon some reappraisal by the photog may not have been uploaded. The rush to get them in before the priority deadline maybe too much temptation.

Quoting UA935 (Reply 13):
Quoting BrianW999 (Reply 12):
Will RIAT Fairford be a priority as well ?

No I don't think so, I believe only trade shows get priority such as Farnborough, Paris and Berlin.

And why ONLY those shows? I have asked this before but is a particularly Eurocentric view of the world. There are other major Aviation trade shows.

Quoting UA935 (Reply 13):
It is usually these shows which display the latest hardware etc and this is why they get priority.

Really, can someone show me anything actually newsworthy that was photographed at Berlin ILA and I challenge anyone to find something new and unseen at Farnborough.

These shows have long since ceased being where fantastic new developments are unveiled to an awestruck public or chequebook waving customers. Sure they are an opportunity to display wares along with wining and dining customers but in this highspeed and media intensive world.. very little news is held back for these shows.

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 20):

And why ONLY those shows? I have asked this before but is a particularly Eurocentric view of the world. There are other major Aviation trade shows.

Especially when you have shots like the ones above getting priority. Not that they are not very nice shots, but priority? The show hasn't even started yet.

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:06 am

Let's just do away with priority screening and then there won't be anything to argue over.
 
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:34 pm

There should be priority screening for all airshow. Set a limit of 50 priority uploads for the "regular" shows.
 
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:34 pm

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 23):
There should be priority screening for all airshow. Set a limit of 50 priority uploads for the "regular" shows.

I like this idea .
But why not make it first 50 to get in then all others will have to wait the normal time.
Sounds like a great idea to me.
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:27 pm

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 23):
There should be priority screening for all airshow. Set a limit of 50 priority uploads for the "regular" shows.

Good idea too I think, but the "boo hoo hooing" will start again because 50 is not enough and folks have missed a place.

I say scrap priority screening for all airshows and make it for special one off's like the A380 first flight and the 787 first flight, first flights of new airlines etc.
 
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:43 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 22):
Let's just do away with priority screening and then there won't be anything to argue over.

or .... do away with regular screening and make everyones priority Big grin Big grin
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:47 pm

From an ex-screeners point of view I can't see a problem with the priority upload feature - if users used it correctly.

It doesn't take that much more time to screen the priority uploads and it was refreshing to see something different. Yes, I agree that 100 priority uploads of the A380 is going to be a little tedious for the screeners, but I can't see that the idea of only 50 slots being available on a first come first served basis would work.

I remember screening a lot of A380 shots when it visited the UK a few months back, the priority screening box was ticked for images that people had captured using camera phones - and very low quality etc.

Although I'm going to say all this as I spent a day at F'boro this week. It was great to see the V-22 flying.  thumbsup 


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and the MiG's display is well worth watching.  trophy 


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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:54 pm

Quoting RotorImage (Reply 18):
However, these shots below, and a bunch of others, from July 12th, have just shown up in the database.

There test flights , practice flights and aircraft bringing goods+aircraft for the show..... Nice photo's Ian Smile

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:13 pm

Cheers Simon.

If you go next week take plenty of sunscreen, me =  hot 

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:18 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 6):
And without the photographers where would the site be Royal?
Please remember the time WE take too

We take photographs because we want to do so. We upload here because we want to do so.

If we did not devote our time to these activities, we would devote it to other things.

Why should anyone remember the time we take? Photography and uploading are voluntary and discretionary activities. We all do them for our own good reasons.
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:19 pm

Quoting Viv (Reply 30):
Photography and uploading are voluntary and discretionary activities.

As is screening  Wink
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:23 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 31):
As is screening

Yes, but screening is an unselfish sacrifice of one's time to the benefit of others. There is the difference.
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:01 am

Chill guys. Everything works out, we'll get to see the pictures in good time no matter what.
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:47 am

Quoting JeffM (Reply 22):
Let's just do away with priority screening and then there won't be anything to argue over.

If the wait after uploading was short enough, there would be no need for it. I'm not bellyaching about the queue length, but wouldn't it be better?

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 21):
Especially when you have shots like the ones above getting priority. Not that they are not very nice shots, but priority? The show hasn't even started yet.

I agree to an extent. If there is a new type in someones colours released at a show, or something different, then priority by all means, but a lot of what will be seen at Farnborough wont be anything new or different.

Quoting Viv (Reply 32):
Yes, but screening is an unselfish sacrifice of one's time to the benefit of others. There is the difference.

I don't think anyone is having a go at the screeners for the work they do, but if there were more, they'd have less to do and uploaders would be happier.

Regards,

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:59 am

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 24):
I like this idea .
But why not make it first 50 to get in then all others will have to wait the normal time.
Sounds like a great idea to me.
Cheers

I could have swore I said that.  Wink

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 23):
There should be priority screening for all airshow. Set a limit of 50 priority uploads for the "regular" shows.
 
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:23 am

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 34):
If there is a new type in someones colours released at a show, or something different, then priority by all means, but a lot of what will be seen at Farnborough wont be anything new or different.

Yep, that's my opinion on the matter as well. Just because something is at the airshow in the first place doesn't make it priority material.

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:34 am

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 35):
I could have swore I said that.

You did Chad i was just stamping my 2 cents worth to the idea which is a very good one.
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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 36):
Yep, that's my opinion on the matter as well. Just because something is at the airshow in the first place doesn't make it priority material.

I suppose it comes down again, as with the World Cup Final shot, what is deemed "newsworthy". Obviously the Farnborough show creates a lot of interest in the aviation world. Trying to balance the argument, maybe Boeing's or Airbus' main displays should get priority, but ordinary shots of ordinary aircraft arriving does seem unnecessary.

Personally, I don't see why anything that is not out of the ordinary should get special treatment though.

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RE: Priority: Farnborough International Airshow 2006

Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:58 am

Quoting DC10Tim (Reply 38):
Personally, I don't see why anything that is not out of the ordinary should get special treatment though.

Exactly, you just have to use common sense. Like the 777LR at Le Bourget, it wasn't exactly new, but it was still newsworthy. But that plane parked in the corner of the show that has been priority added 50 times already, not so much.

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