Halcyon
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Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 6:48 pm

So, I'm looking for a wide angle lens for my 20D.

As you can see from my profile, I'm a terrible photographer (well, I take a few OK ones like the flower near the bottom, but, yes, I know, it's crap too, please don't bash it!  Sad ) but I do need an acceptable wide angle.

I don't want an L lens, I can borrow my friend's when I want to do serious photograpy (he has many stinkin' white lenses litterting his house), but I also don't want a terribly cheap 18-whatever f/3.5-11 crap thing.

I'll be using it primarily to get pictures at college (Embry-Riddle Arizona! Whoop!) starting this fall, and for spotting, etc.

So, with my vague info, what do you suggest?

Thanks for the help in advance, let me know if you have questions!

Thanks,
Lucas

PS-is the Canon 18-55 acceptable?
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting Halcyon (Thread starter):
let me know if you have questions!

Whats your budget? Preferred focal length!? Do you have any other lenses (e. g. a tele lens)?
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:12 pm

Quoting Halcyon (Thread starter):
PS-is the Canon 18-55 acceptable?

That is the Kit lens you get its nothing special but would do the job .
If you want to fork out some cash for a decent lens i would go with the 17-40 L or the 24-105L IS USM.
those are great lenses and are as sharp as a new razor out of the Gillette factory. Smile
Cheers
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:37 pm

Quoting EDDL (Reply 1):
Whats your budget? Preferred focal length!?

Well, I've saved money but now I want to keep some for college, so preferably below $500.  Smile Like I said, it does not have to be anything too fancy. And 10-18 is where I'd like to base the start at.  Smile

Quoting EDDL (Reply 1):
Do you have any other lenses

I've already got the 50-500 ranges covered. It's the buggery of wide angle that I have to get. Are off-Canon brands like Tamron any good? (As they should be cheaper.)

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 2):
That is the Kit lens you get its nothing special but would do the job .

I recall seeing a very nice/crisp pic with this lens on here about a year ago. I take it that is the exception and not the rule?

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 2):
If you want to fork out some cash

Well, not toooooooooooo much.

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 2):
with the 17-40 L

Found one in package for $456 + 20 SH.

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 2):
24-105L IS USM.

$900. Ow.  Sad

What of the 10-22?

Thanks for the help!  Smile

Luke
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:39 pm

Quoting Halcyon (Thread starter):
So, I'm looking for a wide angle lens for my 20D.

The 17-40L is a wonderful lens not THAT expensive; if you need wider the 10-22 EF-S is a very nice piece of equipment with the disadvantage of being an EF-S mount.

j
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:49 pm

Quoting Javibi (Reply 4):

Maybe the 17-40. Is the 10-22 better? The EF-S does not bother me, of course.  Smile

Also-is the 17-40 hurt by it's contrast in focal range, and is the 10-22 bad for fish-eye abberations?
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:49 pm

I'd recommend ... Canon 17-85 USM IS 4.0-5.6, Sigma 17-70 2.8-4.0 or Sigma 18-50 2.8 (if you do a lot of low-light work). The Canon 18-55 is a nice lens for the price, but is inferiour to the ones mentioned above.
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 5):
is the 10-22 bad for fish-eye abberations?

Judge for yourself:

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Those are full frame, first one @16mm, the other one @10mm.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 5):
Is the 10-22 better?

17-40L is optically better; the 10-22 is much wider but not much worse.

Quoting EDDL (Reply 6):
Canon 17-85 USM IS 4.0-5.6

That one I'd stay away from, IMHO.

j
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:18 pm

Quoting EDDL (Reply 6):
Sigma 17-70 2.8-4.0

Looks good price wise.  Smile 4.0 is not too bad.

Quoting Javibi (Reply 7):
Judge for yourself:

Holy stink, not too shabby mate!

Quoting Javibi (Reply 7):
17-40L is optically better; the 10-22 is much wider but not much worse.

I'm thinkin' the 10-22 for the extra 7. Are they the same price wise? Hmm. I'm not too good at this, so which one would you choose? Currently, having a base of (fixed for 1.6 factor) 44mm, it's a pain in the rear getting shots of friends etc, unless I'm a thousand miles away.

It seems like the 10-22 is the best one, but I'd like your opinions. (Since you all know what you are doing.)

Also, never directly answered yet, but how are Tamrons when compared to the others? I've gotten some good ones with a Sigma I have, but the images have steadily become worse from it...kind of like the optics are shifting or something. I don't know why.  Sad However, I have a slight distrust of this brand due to that fact. Is this an isolated incident?

Thanks for all your help guys! I'll check back here later! Gotta go to bed now.

Lucas
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 8:44 pm

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 8):
I'm thinkin' the 10-22 for the extra 7. Are they the same price wise? Hmm. I'm not too good at this, so which one would you choose? Currently, having a base of (fixed for 1.6 factor) 44mm, it's a pain in the rear getting shots of friends etc, unless I'm a thousand miles away.

22 mm is still too much on the long end IMHO. People feel uncomfortable if you get that close ... These UWA-lenses are great for architecture, landscape, & cockpit photos, but not good for people ... AND airplanes. The 777-300ER is still too small for my Sigma 10-20mm, even at very close spots (e. g. CDG Sofitel).
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:32 pm

Quoting EDDL (Reply 9):
These UWA-lenses are great for architecture, landscape, & cockpit photos, but not good for people ... AND airplanes.

?? Phil, stick to the database... Wink

The Sigma 10-20mm does work well for airplanes.

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..and it is an awesome tool at weddings and large group portraits.
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:39 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 10):
?? Phil, stick to the database... Wink

The Sigma 10-20mm does work well for airplanes.

Well ... you are right. But I was talking about standard shots (side-on, approach) ... some more samples: Big grin


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Quoting JeffM (Reply 10):
..and it is an awesome tool at weddings and large group portraits.

I avoid using this lens with people as the main subject as much as I can because of the heavy distortion. For fun shots it's OK though ...
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:37 pm

If you want a wider lens, look no further than the Tokina 12-24mm F/4 AT-X Pro. The best $500 dollars you could spend for a WA lens IMHO. Great reviews on this glass. Mine works awesomely. Just wish I had more chances to use it.

Here are a couple photos shot with this lens. Ill plug them because its related to the topic at hand. Stop crying already.  Smile



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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:12 am

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 8):
I'm thinkin' the 10-22 for the extra 7. Are they the same price wise?

I've had the 17-40 for almost two years already and love it to death. Quality is superb (better be for the amount I owe my dad!) and the focal length is fun to play around with.

On the other hand, I did just rent a 10-22 this past weekend for some rather up-close photos, and it completely blew me away. The extra 7mm on the short end makes a huge difference when you need that reach on either side. I agree with EDDL in that 22mm may be too short for people shots and the like, but it's be the perfect lens to have, say, for panel shots when you're flying around over Prescott.

Both lenses, new, are $689 or so. Needless to say, I'll be buying mine very, very soon.  Big grin

Click this picture for some samples with the 10-22 and the Nikkor 12-24 (as well as a sneak peek at possible uploads  Smile). The focal lengths should be in the description:


I'm headed to Purdue University in 2 weeks for flight training. I'll race'ya.  Wink

G'luck,

Brian
What the FUTT?
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 3:23 pm

Quoting EDDL (Reply 11):
Quoting JeffM (Reply 10):
?? Phil, stick to the database... Wink

The Sigma 10-20mm does work well for airplanes.

Well ... you are right. But I was talking about standard shots (side-on, approach) ... some more samples:

You both are right.

Quoting EDDL (Reply 11):
heavy distortion

I don't need that...


One of these THREE

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 12):
Tokina 12-24mm



Quoting Futterman (Reply 13):
17-40



Quoting Futterman (Reply 13):
10-22

I'm thinking the 12-24 because:
budget
range compromise
clarity of what I've seen.

Before I do, if I'm making a big mistake, TELL ME!


Quoting Futterman (Reply 13):

I'm headed to Purdue University in 2 weeks for flight training. I'll race'ya.

Certainly. I'll leave early. Nah.
I'm looking forward to college except for:
COST, ick. You WILL NOT BELIEVE HOW MUCH ERU costs.
Missing my girlfriend for a while.
COST, ick.

Does anyone know how the weather is there?

[Edited 2006-08-01 08:24:12]
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:58 pm

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 14):
I'm thinking the 12-24 because:
budget
range compromise
clarity of what I've seen.

Before I do, if I'm making a big mistake, TELL ME!

You don't want an ultra-wide-angle lens as your "walkaround lens", do you?
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:04 pm

Quoting EDDL (Reply 15):

You don't want an ultra-wide-angle lens as your "walkaround lens", do you?

No, but hear me out...

12-24 actually is 19.2-38.4. I need the UWA for panoramas. With the money I sace on this cheaper lens I'll be able to get a cheap 18-55 for my boring friends shots and the like.

I think that is the best way to go, unless I am missing something more. I don't need a good lens for the other stuff.

What is your "walkaround lens" though. You have me worried.
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 5:20 pm

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 16):
No, but hear me out...

12-24 actually is 19.2-38.4. I need the UWA for panoramas. With the money I sace on this cheaper lens I'll be able to get a cheap 18-55 for my boring friends shots and the like.

I think that is the best way to go, unless I am missing something more. I don't need a good lens for the other stuff.

What is your "walkaround lens" though. You have me worried.

12-24 AND 18-55 will be fine!  Smile
I thought you were thinking about the 12-24 as your sole wide-angle-lens. Apologies if I misunderstood you. The Tokina 12-24 is a great lens and a good buy, but after comparing the Tokina 12-24 and the Sigma 10-20 a few months ago, I decided to buy the Sigma. The Sigma is just slightly more expensive. You might want to visit your local camera store ...

Phil / EDDL
 
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RE: Wide Angle Lens Question!

Tue Aug 01, 2006 9:07 pm

Quoting EDDL (Reply 17):

12-24 AND 18-55 will be fine! Smile
I thought you were thinking about the 12-24 as your sole wide-angle-lens. Apologies if I misunderstood you. The Tokina 12-24 is a great lens and a good buy, but after comparing the Tokina 12-24 and the Sigma 10-20 a few months ago, I decided to buy the Sigma. The Sigma is just slightly more expensive. You might want to visit your local camera store ...

No, it was my fault. I never mentioned buying TWO lenses, I just thought ut. Ooops. I mean, sheesh guys I expect you to be psychic with me! Jks.

I can get the 10-20 for $460 and the 12-24 for $465. (Odd. Both are "New.")

However, I am going to go to "The Darkroom," our local camera store. They've always treated me well before. Will see what they have.

Thanks for all the help EVERYONE, I really appreciate it!


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