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Hard-shell Camera Cases

Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:47 pm

In view of the recent events in the UK, it would appear that photographers will not be able to carry on their camera gear. Hopefully this won't become a regular thing, but if it does it will be de-rigour to have a decent, hard-shell camera case to protect our hard earned investment from the ministrations of baggage handlers and the like.

Does anyone have any preferences, recommendations or definate "must haves"?

I've just ordered a Pelican for an exorbitant amount. Should I charge it to Al Qaida? Big grin

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Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:49 pm

Andy,

Good question and I too would be interested to see what people suggest, I don't want to spend a great deal if possible but if the recent hand baggage rules implimented today last long then it will be a necessary evil.

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Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:55 pm

Nothing like a shiny new Pelican case to scream "steal me."

If I was going somewhere, and I needed my kit, I would ship it. Fed Ex or UPS, something like that.
 
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:01 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 2):
Nothing like a shiny new Pelican case to scream "steal me."

If I was going somewhere, and I needed my kit, I would ship it. Fed Ex or UPS, something like that.

Not always the best option, especially if you are going for a day or weekend trip.

And they won't stay shiny and new for long - especially after baggage handlers have had their wicked way!!! Big grin

But right now, what other option have you?

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Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:05 pm

Well, I guess it comes down to how much risk you are willing to take. If I was going on holiday I would pack a point and shoot, I don't trust the baggage handlers with my gear.
 
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:56 am

I am travelling LHR-LAX-MEL tommorrow and planned on taking my extensive camera kit and laptop, etc.

So today i went out and spent a good few hundred quid on buying some calumet hard shell cases for my gear. I have one that is te equivalent to the peli 1620 and i also have a 1510 equivalent on order. For the sake of £400-£500 i would rather have piece of mind that my gear is going to be safe. The cases have 8 lock points on them so i an put 8 locks on it and i can have it GPS tagged. Im happy to check my gear in now and it is something i probably will do more in future.

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Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:01 am

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 5):
The cases have 8 lock points on them so i an put 8 locks on it

I was under the impression tha the US homeland security were likely to force open any cases that were locked to check them.

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 5):
Im happy to check my gear in now

Well good luck, because I'm not convinced
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:04 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 4):
Well, I guess it comes down to how much risk you are willing to take. If I was going on holiday I would pack a point and shoot, I don't trust the baggage handlers with my gear.

But I sold my p&s to buy my Dslr.  hissyfit 
 
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:11 am

well, there are such things as TSA approved locks.

http://cell-phone-accessories-wholes...p?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=17860

But, my point is this. If you see a hard shell camera case, what do you think is in it? Dirty underwear with the bacon strip up? Nope, camera gear. Obviously NICE camera gear as the cases are $$$$. I wouldn't worry so much about the case being opened, as the whole case going missing.

Good luck.

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Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:13 am

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 6):
I was under the impression tha the US homeland security were likely to force open any cases that were locked to check them.

that is correct, .......at least the last time I travelled by air I was told it could happen!
 
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:37 am

I have 8 TSA approved locks that they can open with their master key.

My gear is insured and a peli case that is locked is classed as an acceptable form of securings ones gear. Therefore if any theft should occur i am fully covered.

To be honest im quite happy not to have to lug a heavy lowepro with 2-3 bodies/6 lenses/2 flashes etc about with me.

I mean what do you think CNN/BBC and all the big news agencies do with cameras?

What about advertyising photographers going to Paphiti to shoot calenders and adverts with £100,000 worth of lighting kit do? They check it in Peli's.

It is going to be the way forward soon or you wont travel with your equipment. FACT.

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Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:44 am

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 10):
My gear is insured

Again it's just hearsay, but a few of my friends in insurance say that the insurance companies won't cover possessions that have been tampered with.

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 10):
It is going to be the way forward soon or you wont travel with your equipment. FACT.

Yup. That's one of the things that worries me at the moment
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:46 am

You make good points, however you are talking about professionals. Your average enthusiast isn't going to be able to shrug their shoulders if they get ripped off.

I would imagine if the government tried to ban, as an example, laptops, there would be a strong backlash. Of course they have done it in the U.K., so lets see how that goes.
 
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 12):
Of course they have done it in the U.K.,

Have they?
It seems most things have been banned from cabin luggage.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 10):
I mean what do you think CNN/BBC and all the big news agencies do with cameras?

I assume they are covered by their employers who pay for the gear if it's lost or broken and they replace stuff like that under expenses. That's a bit different from the amateur or semi-pro.
 
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:02 am

If you insure your gear separately on your household insurance, and it's policy to have it put in the hold, then I think you;ll find it's covered

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Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 11):
Again it's just hearsay, but a few of my friends in insurance say that the insurance companies won't cover possessions that have been tampered with.

My insurance company has said they will honor my gear if it's in a locked peli case.

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 11):
Yup. That's one of the things that worries me at the moment

It does SUCK! I hate it but i guess i cant do anything about it.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 12):
You make good points, however you are talking about professionals. Your average enthusiast isn't going to be able to shrug their shoulders if they get ripped off.

I would imagine if the government tried to ban, as an example, laptops, there would be a strong backlash. Of course they have done it in the U.K., so lets see how that goes.

The average enthusiast should also have camera equipment insurance.

They have not banned laptops in the UK?

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 14):
assume they are covered by their employers who pay for the gear if it's lost or broken and they replace stuff like that under expenses. That's a bit different from the amateur or semi-pro.

Yes i understand that, but any self respecting amateur should have insurance to cover their investment, it's just sensible practice to do.

I mean when you leave on holiday do you go without travel insurance? Do you not have life insurance? It's just sensible to insure valuable things.

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Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 15):
then I think you;ll find it's covered

I'm not sure on that Andy. I believe the US homeland security's policy to open locked cases has given the insurance companies a "get out clause"
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 16):
My insurance company has said they will honor my gear if it's in a locked peli case.

Having worked in insurance for many years I would not be happy unless I had that in writing
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:37 am

the UK has banned everything except of your wallet and tampons, at least for now.
 
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 19):
tampons

Thats quite frightening Big grin

Phil, if you use the TSA locks then you should be ok. As someone else has said, if this is ongoing then insurance companies will have to adopt a different stance, the downside being increased premiums. However, after losing a lens a couple of years ago and getting a replacement through the insurer, I did discuss with the rep who interviewed me for the loss (it cost a bit!) about carriage etc. her advice was as I have said, put it on your household policy but specify the value and detail it.

Hopefully things won't come to this, but I am getting a hard case anyway. With airtravel being the best way to leave the island, especially for a day's spotting or weekend trip, any future occurences won't leave me stuck and putting a soft bag into the hold.

And, as Chris has said, even amateur photographers should have their equipment insured separately. Thats a lot of money to be left soley to a travel insurance! Whether it goes in the hold or no!

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RE: Hard-shell Camera Cases

Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:42 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 19):
the UK has banned everything except of your wallet and tampons, at least for now.

lol lets do away with overhead bins then.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 21):
lets do away with overhead bins then

That's on Ryanair's to do list.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 19):
the UK has banned everything except of your wallet and tampons, at least for now

Yes they have for now, but it is apparently expected that by mid week nxt week normal carry on will be permitted however it is likely the U|K will adopt the same stance on liquids and products like the |US has.

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Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:25 am

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 23):
Yes they have for now, but it is apparently expected that by mid week nxt week normal carry on will be permitted however it is likely the U|K will adopt the same stance on liquids and products like the |US has.

You cannot take any liquids on-board any aircraft departing from any airport in the UK...
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 24):
You cannot take any liquids on-board any aircraft departing from any airport in the UK...

No shit...

If you read what i wrote then you will see that i meant when they allow carry on again, they will still not allow liquids, like the US has done.

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Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 24):
You cannot take any liquids on-board any aircraft departing from any airport in the UK...

They have been checking liquid carry on in China for years.

One bottle per person and it must be opened and checked by security at the checkpoint.

Funny how we seem to be years behind others and it takes something like this to up the checks.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:10 pm

I've just been looking at Photographic Equipment insurance on the net and found one called "Photoguard".

I rang their enquiry line to ascertain the cover if the equipment has to be checked in the hold. The young lady on the phone confirmed that the equipment IS covered if checked in to the airline and placed in the baggage hold. The only time it isn't covered is if you lose it before you check in - which is downright careless eh?

Not a lot of use if you are going on a shoot and they lose it, but coomforting to know there is cover if you need it.

Mind you, it's quite expensive, at around £30 a month. But, if you travel regularly, spend a lot on the gear, what price are you prepared to pay to replace lost or stolen stuff?

Anyway, thought this might be of interest.

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Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 27):
I've just been looking at Photographic Equipment insurance on the net and found one called "Photoguard".

Only for UK residents  Sad Does anyone know of a reliable company that cover us non-subdits of Her Majesty?

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Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:09 pm

I have been to America 4 times. And at least 3 times security have broken the locks to my cases. If they want to open something they do and more often than not (looking at the state of my previous luggage) they use a hammer and bolt cutters to do so !!!!  Sad
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:12 pm

Quoting LHRSIMON (Reply 29):
If they want to open something they do and more often than not (looking at the state of my previous luggage) they use a hammer and bolt cutters to do so !!!

But they leave a nice card inside your case telling you what they've done! wave 

You need to make sure your cases have TSA approved locks. If you use something like a Pelican case (suddenly more people seem interested), then use their TSA approved padlocks.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:19 pm

Quoting LHRSIMON (Reply 29):
I have been to America 4 times. And at least 3 times security have broken the locks to my cases. If they want to open something they do and more often than not (looking at the state of my previous luggage) they use a hammer and bolt cutters to do so !!!!

Get a set of TSA padlocks. They aren't supposed to break the locks then. Although they did when I transited DTW in April - tossers! AND they left the opened padlock on top of my clothes.

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Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:34 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 30):
ou need to make sure your cases have TSA approved locks. If you use something like a Pelican case (suddenly more people seem interested), then use their TSA approved padlocks.

It dont mean shit. I just got to LAX and they have broken all 8 of my TSA approaved locks and forced the peli open as the tossers dont know how to use the air lock on the front. Good news is, Peli still works fine and they issued me a $600 cheque in compensation. Peli is essentially free! They also paid to replace all 8 padlocks too.

Sitting in QF lounge waiting to board my 744ER to MEL now. This lounge is rather crap tho. Ah well, free alcohol and the like. I should be in Australia in 18 hours! lol

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Sat Aug 12, 2006 5:41 pm

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 32):
It dont mean shit. I just got to LAX and they have broken all 8 of my TSA approaved locks and forced the peli open as the tossers dont know how to use the air lock on the front.

Ihave a feeling that the TSA do just what they want to and sod the passenger. Well, all you can do is take the best precautions you can and hope for the best.

Peli issued a $600 cheque in compensation? Why? I know they rate their own cases but I'm surprised they covered for the TSA butchers. Good to hear though.

Have a good trip down-under Chris.

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Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:32 pm

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 33):
Peli issued a $600 cheque in compensation?

I think he means the TSA did. I doubt he would have got all that resolved by Peli in one transit at LAX.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:19 pm

At least your case wasn't stolen Chris.

It is all well and good to immediatley implement a no hand baggae policy but no one who makes this deision seems to look at the bigger picture.

Whilst most will argue that life is more valuable than material objects, which of course I agree with I am totally against the blanket "Check it in" policy.

Shit loads of cash is wasted on nonsense in both the UK and US by the goverments, why don't they extract a tiny proportion of the defence budget and invest in improved scanners at the airports etc. Surely it would be better spending the cash there than on the front line after the event!

Other people will say why take so much expensive gear away, just buy a point and shoot or a disposable film camera.

Why shouldn't I take my hard earned gear away with me and expect it to arrive in tact at the destination and furthermore I doub't very much that my photos from last months once in a life time trip to the Terracotta Warriors in Xi'an would look quite as stunning from a disposable as they do from my 20D and L.

Once again the terrorists have won by getting as all running scared and implementing rash over the top policy.
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:01 am

This just in - UK insurers won't cover stuff in the hold

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2309322,00.html
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 30):
But they leave a nice card inside your case telling you what they've done!

They're supposed to, yet I've never seen this card - but I know some perv's been sniffing my undies...
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 36):
This just in - UK insurers won't cover stuff in the hold

Not totally true. As I stated above, Photoguard will cover the loss provided you can prove it was checked in as hold baggage.

However, I think we all knew that this situation would arise for "normal" people who have been forced to put their stuff in the hold. It's one thing to say don't take your phone/iPod/lap-top/camera etc but sometimes this is unavoidable and I do think that the various parties HAVE to come up with some sort of arrangement to cover this period.

Yet again, the f*****g terrorists win and Joe Public is screwed. Not only by the terrorist but by the people he pays money to to fly. Going on holiday? Don't take your camera/iPod/whatever. Going on business? Don't take your lap-top/phone etc. Sometimes these people can be so frigging dense and make a bad situation worse.

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Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:47 am

Chris,

When you check-in ask frp the bag to go to special Item (if LHR has it)

Also ask for Fragile stickers etc..Ill be honest, I doubt loaders have time to steal stuff, with the amount of extra work they have to do....
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting Kazzie (Reply 39):
When you check-in ask frp the bag to go to special Item (if LHR has it)

Also ask for Fragile stickers etc..Ill be honest, I doubt loaders have time to steal stuff, with the amount of extra work they have to do....

Yes, but that's going to make it more obvious that it's something valuable. From past experiance, whenever it has "Fragile" on, the loads just smash it around even more!
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:37 pm

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 40):
From past experiance, whenever it has "Fragile" on, the loads just smash it around even more!

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Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:55 pm

Heres a suggestion that will help everyone... Just place a Nikon sticker on all of your equipment cases. Who in there right mind would want to steal it then?  Wink
 
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:52 pm

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 42):
Heres a suggestion that will help everyone... Just place a Nikon sticker on all of your equipment cases. Who in there right mind would want to steal it then?

 rotfl  Good stuff Chad.

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Sun Aug 13, 2006 4:35 pm

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 42):
Heres a suggestion that will help everyone... Just place a Nikon sticker on all of your equipment cases. Who in there right mind would want to steal it then?

That is the most inflamatory and insulting post I've ever seen in the forum yet!!  devil 

You sir, are a bounder and a cad and shall be whipped mecilessly with a Nikon wide camera strap!! May your next one be a hedgehog! Big grin

Anyway, I'm going to put a sticker on mine that sayd "Live Alligators, do not feed"
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 5:17 pm

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 33):
Peli issued a $600 cheque in compensation? Why? I know they rate their own cases but I'm surprised they covered for the TSA butchers. Good to hear though.

Yeah it was the TSA that gave me the cheque. As soon as i saw what they had done i went to the front of the customs place and demanded to see the head of TSA at Tom Bradley in LAX. He came out, i showed him what the damage was and the pictures i had on my laptop from before i left the UK of how the case was. I showed him how they had taken stuff out and damaged foam inside and mis put everything back and basically said that unless he wants me to sue the TSA, file complaints against his officers and talk to the papers that he should give it his best go to issue some form of compensation. After a few calls and some messing about he came out with a cheque. I'm not sure why but think it also helped that i have Platinum status with AA and that i frequently visit the UK every month. When he looked in my passport and saw my AA card and all my stamps he kind of changed his tone. I didnt think that would affect things at all but it seemed to.

Quoting UA935 (Reply 35):
At least your case wasn't stolen Chris.

Very true. It did weigh a ton so it wasnt the easiest thing to run away or hide. lol

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 33):
Have a good trip down-under Chris

Cheers Andy! Currently in Melbourne and it's lovely. Weather is cold but pretty nice. Going to Cairns on Wednesday to do some Scuba Diving and some underwater photography.  Silly

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 37):
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 30):
But they leave a nice card inside your case telling you what they've done!

They're supposed to, yet I've never seen this card - but I know some perv's been sniffing my undies...

I didnt get a card at all, just a load of broken locks.  Sad Luckily i left the undies out of the camera case!  Wink

Quoting Kazzie (Reply 39):
Chris,

When you check-in ask frp the bag to go to special Item (if LHR has it)

Also ask for Fragile stickers etc..Ill be honest, I doubt loaders have time to steal stuff, with the amount of extra work they have to do....

Ta for advice Kaz. I didnt want to make it obvious there was something valuable inside so all i did was make sure the guy at LHR took it down on Trolely to baggage and then i just left it up to the baggage handlers. tbh UK handlers probably dont have the effort to break open 8 locks and well the TSA in the US arn't particularly clever enough to if they cant open TSA approved locks without bolt cutters!

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 42):
Heres a suggestion that will help everyone... Just place a Nikon sticker on all of your equipment cases. Who in there right mind would want to steal it then?

And put my camera case throught the embarrassment and humiliation it would receive from all of the other canon peli's...... NEVER!!!!!  Wink

My case has a Ferrari sticker on it from a dealer in MEL and it also has an In-N-Out sticker from the one in WEstchester LA.

Im gonna put stickers from all the places i have been with that case!! lol

Now, i think it's time to take the case to a little Island we call St Marteen!  Wink It needs a SSBB sticker! hehe

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 44):
I'm going to put a sticker on mine that sayd "Live Alligators, do not feed"

What an idea!!!

I need to get some made up in Sydney saying.... "Faulty Human Organs, DO NOT OPEN, CONTAGIOUS!"  Wink

Anyway, im off to enjoy the Club Level at the Langham Hotel in Mel. Free drinks, free canapes and a lovely view from the 24th floor overlooking the lovely lit up Melbourne! It's a hard life....  Silly

Ciao...

Chris
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