ac888yow
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Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:07 am

I've just had this image rejected for "colour" and "editing" (a first for me, no idea what that's about). I know it's only an AC 319, but I like the effect of the dark sky, evening light, and fall colours for the trees ...

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/..._1896_AC_CFYIY_091906_CYOW_319.jpg

On an otherwise dark/dreary evening, the sun peeked through for about 5 min resulting in some wicked lighting that hilighted the plane and the trees changing colours (from summer to fall) in the background, all contrasting nicely with the dark sky. This lighting is the only reason why I snapped the pic of an otherwise "normal" subject.

As for the editing reject ... yikes. No idea what that's all about. Sufficed to say that I didn't do anything out of the ordinary during my editing ...

Anyway, your opinions ... ? Should I appeal or let it go?
 
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Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:12 am

Peter,

I don't know what it is but those trees look really wierd against the sky. Maybe you could reduce the saturation a bit?  Confused

Disclaimer: I'm no expert.  Smile
 
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Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:14 am

Did you use Neatimage or any other grain reduction technique? Some of the details on the grass and trees looks a little funky.

I like the colors, though.

Harry

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RE: Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:43 am

No neatimage or similar. I followed the same workflow as I always do.

My only guess is that maybe the screener maybe doesn't live in a climate where these tree colours are common in nature (during season change from summer to fall) and therefore thinks I artificially altered them?

The dark sky certainly accentuates the effect, but as I said it's due to the fact it was a dark/cloudy day with the sun coming out only very briefly. Maybe the screener thought I altered the sky to make it dark?

I don't know ... perhaps if a screener might be able to provide some input?
 
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Wed Sep 27, 2006 4:47 am

I agree. The colours, although vibrant, look stunningly natural. The sky just goes that extra distance to highlight it beautifully. I live in the UK and as you can probably guess, scenes like this will begin to appear all over in the coming weeks.

Nice pic!

Karl
 
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Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:00 am

Just an excellent picture. I wonder why it was rejected. (What the screener was thinking when he checked the reject buttons.)

I've seen scenes like that before and always wished I could get a good picture of them.

Excellent job. I hope you appeal. It deserves to be in the database.

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Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:04 am

I rejected it.

Peter, you know I am a big fan of your shots and have commented on them pubilcy.

Have a look at the strip of aluminium under the front cabin door, as well as the starboard wingtip.

The color of these two items leads me to believe that the color has been "jacked up." Other screeners were in agreement, which is a pity as it is a nice shot.

You can appeal of course.

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Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:13 am

Peter something must have gone wrong during your edit.
Look at the wingtips and the stripe below the front door; there's some turquoise color that surely doesn't belong there. Also the plane looks kinda pink on the top and at the rear.
To be honest I don't really know for sure what might have gotten that strange effect but re-check your original picture and if the colors are ok there just try a new edit. I'm sure it will have a good acceptance chance if you correct the color issue.

Good luck!

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Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:22 am

I have to let you guys know it is the metal that is the problem. I have seen multiple times that on Air Canada Airbus aircraft the strip of metal under the door will turn a bright green when light hits it. Case and point:

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I actually warned Chad as he took this shot to look out for the effect, and he caught it perfectly. As for the wing I have seen this in photos of my own as well. It is a nice shot, and hopefully it will get in.
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Edited to add my own image as well.

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Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:34 am

This is a beautiful shot and just goes to prove that screeners,are not always right. You have captured a perfect moment just when the light produces the effect as shown in Chads image,not many times or places in the world that you could capture it so vividly though.Top shot,its one of the reasons I like autumn so much.

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Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:36 am

Nice shot !!

Quoting 9V (Reply 1):
Maybe you could reduce the saturation a bit

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RE: Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:37 am

Good observation Matthew!  bigthumbsup 
I looked around a bit and the Air Canada livery does indeed have some strange green stripes which turn into bright turquoise under some lighting conditions.
Close-up of those stripes:

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Still I think that the colors in Peter's shot are a bit off; though nothing that couldn't be fixed I'd say.

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Wed Sep 27, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 6):
The color of these two items leads me to believe that the color has been "jacked up." Other screeners were in agreement, which is a pity as it is a nice shot.

Tell you what Clickhappy, you are a genius! I never would have spotted that!
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RE: Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:14 am

Looks like some sort of luminescant paint...

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RE: Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:20 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 13):
Looks like some sort of luminescant paint...

I also think so. Sometimes that stuff makes some trouble, especially on a certain angle of such paint in strong sunlight.

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RE: Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:29 am

I would appeal, saying that the screener rejected because he thought the strips were artificial, when they are really part of the plane.

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RE: Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Wed Sep 27, 2006 7:24 am

Thanks to all for your comments, especially Clickhappy for his screener input (and nice compliment)!

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 6):
Have a look at the strip of aluminium under the front cabin door, as well as the starboard wingtip.

The color of these two items leads me to believe that the color has been "jacked up."

Ahhh. Gotcha. I can see how this might look strange to folks who aren't familiar with this phenomenon regarding AC aircraft. However, as others have already mentioned, it is something that occurs naturally under certain lighting conditions. I've noticed it most frequently in the evenings, but I've seen it under other circumstances too.

I'll give an appeal a go and see what happens.
 
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RE: Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:34 pm

Just an update: After appealing, the original rejection was upheld citing the same reasons as before ... "colour" and "editing" (yes, "editing" again even though I explained the natural phenomenon about the green strips). Fell on deaf ears I guess.

Anyway, this one is put to rest.
 
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RE: Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting AC888YOW (Reply 17):
Just an update: After appealing, the original rejection was upheld citing the same reasons as before ... "colour" and "editing" (yes, "editing" again even though I explained the natural phenomenon about the green strips). Fell on deaf ears I guess.

Anyway, this one is put to rest.

Peter it wasn't just the green stripes; the picture as a whole just looks kinda oversaturated. I'd try a new edit and go a little easier on the colors.

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RE: Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:18 am

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 18):
the picture as a whole just looks kinda oversaturated

I accept this explanation and consider it to be the cause for the "colour" rejection. I take issue with the "editing" portion of the rejection as it is effectively an accusation about something I know I didn't do. I haven't been a member of these boards for very long but I've been submitting images for a few years and have never even thought about doing something "illegal" to one of my images. I value my untarnished reputation as a photographer, which is why I feel the need to defend it in this case.

Anyway, I never have made it a habit of questioning my rejections, and am not starting now. I only ever posted this thread so as to seek opinions on why I received the "editing" rejection, firstly because I'd never received it before and secondly because I know very well that I didn't edit the image in "an unacceptable manner".

The explanation given to me for the "editing" rejection was the green strips (which I understand can appear "funny" to someone unfamiliar with it), a phenomenon proven to be natural not only be me but more importantly by other neutral, unbiased parties as well. After explaining this in my reason for appeal (and providing the link to this thread), to have "editing" come back as a rejection reason (without any further explanation) is a bit of a smack.

That's all, no big deal really. Not trying to cause a fuss ... the case is closed. I'll leave this one just for me.

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RE: Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:38 am

Quoting AC888YOW (Reply 19):
I accept this explanation and consider it to be the cause for the "colour" rejection. I take issue with the "editing" portion of the rejection

As far as I understand it, the editing rejection doesn't necessarily mean that screeners think you did something "illegal" but just that at some point in your edit something might have gone wrong or you just used an acceptable tool too extensively. Like the saturation tool; saturating a picture is allowed but if used too extensively the shot becomes unacceptable for A.net. I think this was the case here though I can't be sure without seeing the original shot.

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RE: Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:52 am

I'm currently at work so I don't have access to the original right now, but I'll try to remember to post it later just as a FYI.
 
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RE: Opinions On This Colour Reject?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 20):
As far as I understand it, the editing rejection doesn't necessarily mean that screeners think you did something "illegal" but just that at some point in your edit something might have gone wrong or you just used an acceptable tool too extensively. Like the saturation tool; saturating a picture is allowed but if used too extensively the shot becomes unacceptable for A.net. I think this was the case here though I can't be sure without seeing the original shot.

Prefect explanation Thierry, and well put.

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