psyops
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Cyeg - What Is The Problem With Security?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:06 am

Caution: rant follows.

The last few times I have been to CYEG spotting, the security has been somewhat bipolar in more than one respect.

From one visit to the next, some bother me, some don't. One week I sit near the north end of runway 30 on the dirt road, and a security truck pulls up inside the fence and watches me from a distance for some time, then leaves. The next week, same place, a security truck pulls up and tells me to leave... "authorized area only" even though there are no signs indicating as such.

Where you are "allowed" to go is also bizarre. The spot mentioned above I can't go sometimes, and the security guy tells me I can go to a spot along runway 02/20 which is just as close to the runway but it is okay because it is near the FBO's. Huh?

Now, you go to CYYC and never have any issues.

I suspect there must be certain security folks at CYEG that have a need to feel important? I just don't know but it sure is frustrating.

I feel better now.

Pete
 
lanpie
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RE: Cyeg - What Is The Problem With Security?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 7:23 am

Also at Calgary airport there are special area for photographers.

Pierre
 
Fly747
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RE: Cyeg - What Is The Problem With Security?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:34 am

Hi Pete,

as we have discussed this together many times before, it's really a lottery. It bothers me quite a bit actually and some days I just feel like quitting shooting here and just drive down to Calgary instead. I have never had any problems with security there either, at any of the spots. I think they accept photographers/spotters much more, as do most international airports around the world. At my last run-in with the airport cops I was told not to bring my ladder anymore. I politely told him that I never put my ladder against the fence, always keep a minimum of 3 meters from it and that ladders are also accepted at airports around the world. His comeback was that I should move to Toronto... You can't really argue with a guy like that.
We'll see how thins progress once the Airport watch is underway.

Ivan
 
psyops
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RE: Cyeg - What Is The Problem With Security?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:56 pm

Ivan - it's like they live in a cave or something.

Even up here in little old CYMM I don't have such problems. One day an RCMP car wandered out at the end of the runway approach where I was shooting. My first thought was about the stainless steel bracelets, but it turns out he was out that way and thought he'd check for spotting locations as he was an enthusiast himself!

I guess the folks in CYEG really need validation of their worth.

Let's hope AW does the trick.

Pete
 
CalgaryBill
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RE: Cyeg - What Is The Problem With Security?

Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:42 pm

I've been approached a few times by security here in YYC, but every time it's been a pretty good experience. The last guy asked about my gear, my interest in photography, etc. It could have been the usual "interested observer" chat, or he could have been validating that I really was a photographer, but either way he was very friendly and it was a good chat.

B
 
BO__einG
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RE: Cyeg - What Is The Problem With Security?

Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:54 pm

Crappy to hear about the woes at YEG. Hopefully it will get better, and if not hopefully the AW program takes off and show these simpleton security guards that Yeggers are spotters too and share just as much interest in aviation as counterparts in Europe or even Calgary.

SOmetimes if they say something outrageously stupid or benine, you may have to fight back to defend yourself and this hobby so it will show them that spotters are for real and they are serious enthusiasts who enjoy plane pictures or watchings. Why spot planes all the way from Leduc when you can access some of the public access spots near the runways for a much better and enjoyable view?

That "move to Toronto" remark was just dumb too.  Yeah sure
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Fly747
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RE: Cyeg - What Is The Problem With Security?

Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting BO__einG (Reply 5):
show these simpleton security guards that Yeggers are spotters too and share just as much interest in aviation as counterparts in Europe or even Calgary.

Unfortunately it's not just the security it is the RCMP as well which makes it even more difficult, because if you argue too much they just pull the "we will have to arrest you" BS.

Ivan
 
flybhx
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RE: Cyeg - What Is The Problem With Security?

Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:12 am

Ivan,

Any possibility of a bit of free advice from a local lawyer that you can use to have a more formal dialogue with RCMP. Always good to be able to quote the law as it is rather than having the interpreted, "I 'm not sure of my ground here I'll blind them with BS" version.

Once thats out of the way security can be put in their place.

Kev

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