spencer
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Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:44 am

Can't seem to figure this one out..... I've received a motiv rejection for this:

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...4509&filename=1159900631BawzIX.jpg

What I can't understand is it's the first window shot pic of Ryanair's Dreamliner with winglets, given these two are already on the db without:


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(Both nice shots BTW).
What gives? Why motiv? Please.
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:47 am

Appeal it! Nice shot, don't see what the motiv issue would be.
what seems to be the officer, problem?
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:11 am

Well one thing that comes to mind is the engine is cut off and the angle of the shot is a bit different. I am no expert in shots like this but look at the two pics you posted as comparisons. Much cleaner, nothing cut off and and angle of the shot has it a little more downward and it just adds so much more to the shot. Yours has the viewer looking up in space and I just feel not seeing the entire engine takes a little away.

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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:12 am

There's a lot of dead space, with nothing that interesting in the top right.

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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:19 am

Quoting Spencer (Thread starter):
Can't seem to figure this one out..... I've received a motiv rejection for this

Don't worry........ we all get them and we are all puzzling  Smile
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 4:19 am

Behind the winglet, a brown area that looks like some sort of a reflection would be my guesss at motive.

Mick Bajcar
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:14 am

Thanks guys but,

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
but look at the two pics you posted as comparisons

They weren't comparisons, merely showing that I have searched for this aircraft + window view and this is all I came up with.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
nothing cut off

Seems the first pic has the engine cut off too.....

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 5):
Behind the winglet, a brown area that looks like some sort of a reflection would be my guess at motive.

Looked like a rogue cloud to me in the full size image. But if it's going to cause a problem I'll clone it out?
Thanks again.
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:20 am

Quoting Spencer (Reply 6):

Seems the first pic has the engine cut off too.....

But that one has some interesting clouds and mountains to show.

Harry
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:25 am

And mine has a nice new winglet Harry!
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:26 am

The others have something "interesting" to look like like cloud layers in the examples.

With yours, there's not much there to keep you looking.
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:28 am

Except the new winglet?!
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 4):
Don't worry........ we all get them and we are all puzzling
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...3.jpg

Willem..

I recognise I do have some kind of ENVY watching where are you flying Big grin
I'm happy to see you have such opportunities..

About the rejection ( Spencer's one..) at least to my eyes the winglet is not focused/not sharp and the engine is cut off. The sky is not showing anything interesting... If the reason was the brown area as Mick says It would be a quality call instead of motive...

Cheers

Enrique
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:32 am

Winglet focus looks fine to me. Now, is A.net an aircraft site, or a nature site? Should I make sure I shoot these kind of shots when and if I'm passing the Alps next time, with of course some beautiful cloud formations????
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:51 am

Spencer it's a nice shot, but there really isn't anything to look at in the whole top right corner, new winglet or not. I'm guessing that's where the rejection came from.

Regards,

Tim.
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting Mygind66 (Reply 11):
I recognise I do have some kind of ENVY watching where are you flying

Anybody with a little bit of aviation blood running through his vanes would Enrique.

Quoting Mygind66 (Reply 11):
I'm happy to see you have such opportunities..

This one took me about 1.5 year preparation and 4 trips up and down to France, they don't come easy.

But we are drifting of topic  Smile
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:52 am

Hi.
Sorry for posting it again. I had this one rejected for info the first time and after I fixed it for motiv

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...big/20061003_DDR-SPW_170906_30.jpg

In this thread What Caused This Motive Rejection? (by AirKas1 Sep 27 2006 in Aviation Photography)

I got told it might get caused by the background - I don't think that the background can ruin this shot cause I found it very interesting. What are your opinions? Maybe a screener can tell me the truth.

Thanks for your help and forgive me that I posted it again, but I thought this new started thread will get more attention thru it's title.

Georg
 
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:52 am

Quoting Spencer (Reply 12):
Winglet focus looks fine to me. Now, is A.net an aircraft site, or a nature site? Should I make sure I shoot these kind of shots when and if I'm passing the Alps next time, with of course some beautiful cloud formations????

Spencer, I've told you this before - you need to fly on bad weather day's! That way you'll get decent cloud and effects so you can upload them to airliners, when will you listen?!

Oh and by the way, I can't find anything wrong with the pic, nice shot. Keep it in your personal collection, it's a.net's loss, not yours!

When you coming back over to the UK Spence? Maybe it's time I start looking at flights to GOT/GSE again!  Wink

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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:16 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 7):
clouds and mountains

this isnt cloudsandmountains.net is it?

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):
There's a lot of dead space, with nothing that interesting in the top right

Picture 1 has a lot of dead space, wing and engine in the same position as spencers shot

Nice pic Spence, id certainly appeal it!

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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting Spencer (Reply 10):
Except the new winglet?!

I'm talking about the view beyond the plane.

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 17):

this isnt cloudsandmountains.net is it?

This isn't fighters.net or airportterminals.net either, and we have enough of those.

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 17):

Picture 1 has a lot of dead space, wing and engine in the same position as spencers shot

It's a pretty interesting shot of the top of a cloud layer with mountains poking through. I don't know what I'm looking at in Spencer's.

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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:00 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 18):
I don't know what I'm looking at in Spencer's.

Wing and winglet would be a good place to start i reckon!
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:11 am

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 19):
Wing and winglet would be a good place to start i reckon!

Well, that covers about 1/3 of the picture, then...

Harry
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:06 pm

Thanks guys for all the support and criticism, seriously. I'll drop the subject now! Was just curious is all. Cheers again.
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RE: Motiv Rejection. But Why?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 5):
Behind the winglet, a brown area that looks like some sort of a reflection would be my guesss at motive.



Quoting Spencer (Reply 6):
Looked like a rogue cloud to me in the full size image. But if it's going to cause a problem I'll clone it out?

Doesn't look like a cloud to me, I've never seen one anything like that. I have the feeling that's the reason for the rejection.

Take the screener's advice!  Wink

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