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Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:50 pm

I was wondering if this camera would be a good one for taking airplane pics. The uses would be varied, but the lenses are interchangeable so that isn't a big problem. At first I'd mainly use it for the Paris Airshow next summer and then foe some European Landscape, and once I get back home I'd use it for shots at DEN.
What I'm wondering is:
Is this a good camera in general?
Would this be a good camera for these uses?
-If so, What lenses would you suggest for these uses?
Is there a better camera than this?
Please remember I don't want to get too expensive, nothing over $700 total.

Thanks for the input!
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PS I searched and didn't find anything on this camera.
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:20 pm

Quoting ATCme (Thread starter):
nothing over $700 total.

How do you plan on getting everything for that amount? If that is your total budget, you should rethink your choice, as I think you are going to come up short.

As to the camera, sure, it's better then a point and shoot.
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:59 am

This is a great camera to use as it's the best entry level DSLR out there. I personally have owned mine since June and I am using a Tamron 70-300mm Di lens and a sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-3.5 DG lens, both with circualr polarized filters. I would personally suggest that you get the new version of the Rebel XT, the Canon 400D Rebel XTi. It has their new anti dust spot firmware upgrade and anti dust vibration to help rid the sensor of dust. If you're testing the water of Digital SLRs you'll need about $1000-1200 to get a nice camera and a good lens. I'd suggest something in the range of 70 or 100mm to 400mm.
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:12 am

The 350D and 400D are perfect budget cameras for aviation photography, but the lenses you attach are more important. I recommend Canon's 'L' series range of lenses, which deliver supreme quality via outstanding optics. Prices for such lenses will shock you though!

Of course, there are better cameras out there, but in my opinion not in that price bracket. US$700 will most likely buy you the camera and kit lens, however you'll need more spending power to really excel in the aviation dept.

Karl
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:13 am

For 700 americans, you will not get more than the 350D and a 1gb CF card... Not even the kit lens...
Gripped 7D + Sigma 10-20mm + 17-40L + 50mm f/1.8 II + 70-200mm f/4L IS + EF 400mm f/5.6L + 580EX II
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:23 pm

The 350d
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos350d/


The 300d
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos300d/

goolgeing the 350d mite bring up some interesting Prices in $
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Sat Oct 07, 2006 9:43 am

Okay, well that seems interesting.
Thanks for all the replies!

To modify my question:
What would be the best intro level camera for the cheapest price. As a high school student I can't afford much so please keep it low. (Ok, stop laughing, I know what I'm asking is impossible.)
Please have the camera meet these requirements:
-digital
-can shoot different situations
-has enough quality for A.net (not iffy, please be sure)
-is easy to use

Thanks!
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:28 am

Quoting ATCme (Reply 6):
-has enough quality for A.net (not iffy, please be sure)

Your expectations are too high. No camera will guarantee you A.net uploads. It's more up to you than anything else really

Ivan

[Edited 2006-10-07 03:28:46]
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Sat Oct 07, 2006 10:50 am

Quoting Fly747 (Reply 7):
Your expectations are too high. No camera will guarantee you A.net uploads. It's more up to you than anything else really

Ya, good point. I just mean stuff like noise and overall quality, not focus or the actual shot. The reason I'm actually looking for a new camera is because I think my shots are amazing but they always get rejected for grain, and there is obvious noise in the photos. I just want a camera where my talents matter more than how well I can get rid of noise.

Thanks
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P.S. If anyone knows a way to get rid of noise that is easy, that would be the preferable solution than buy a whole new camera.
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:02 pm

There's a program called NeatImage (Google it). It's free, and works quite well at reducing noise.

As for the Rebel XT, it's an excellent camera. I currently am using it with the 100-400 L IS. If you're looking for the best value, I'd go with Canon 350D + 70-200 f/4L. (~$600 + ~$590) This combo is well over your budget... but it might be worth saving up for. It will definitely give you the means by which to get shots accepted.

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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:26 pm

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 9):
There's a program called NeatImage (Google it). It's free, and works quite well at reducing noise.

Photoshop CS2 also has a similar function - 'noise reduce'. Of course, it's a good feature. However, I would suggest refraining from using them, if possible.

I am using 350D, too, and this camera well controls the image noise. In daytime, most of photos will probably be taken at ISO-100, or 200. So, I don't use any noise reduction feature whilst editing these photos, even sometimes the sky looks slightly grainy if the shot is taken at dusk.

I am just trying to say this noise reduction feature might bring some negative impacts to photo quality - use it very carefully only when you have to.  Wink

Just my two cents.

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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:08 pm

The 350D at ISO100 is definately one of the best cameras when it comes to very little noise in the pictures - better, in fact, than many high-end Canons and certainly better than the average Nikon (which tend to only go as low as ISO200).

Karl
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:27 pm

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):
The 350D at ISO100 is definately one of the best cameras when it comes to very little noise in the pictures - better, in fact, than many high-end Canons and certainly better than the average Nikon

 rotfl  where did that little 'fact' come from? What 'high end Canons and Nikons' do you own to make such a comparison?
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:38 am

I was not suggesting Nikons are somehow inferior, but the fact is they only go down to ISO200, which, believe it or not, is noisier than ISO100.

It's also been proved in side-by-side tests that the 350D is less noisy than both the 30D and the new 400D.

So I'd say my comments and recommendations are quite factual, wouldn't you?

Oh, and by the way, I do own a higher-end Canon than the 350D, so I'm in a position to judge.

Your response to this? I'd think I'd duck now if I were you.....

Karl
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 13):
Your response to this?

Show us some legiimate links. Duck? Don't make me laugh.........
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 13):
I was not suggesting Nikons are somehow inferior, but the fact is they only go down to ISO200, which, believe it or not, is noisier than ISO100.

Must be a bug that my D80 works just fine @ ISO 100  Smile
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:21 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 13):
It's also been proved in side-by-side tests that the 350D is less noisy than both the 30D and the new 400D.

Where have you seen this?? I was under the imprssion that the 30D is less noisy than the rest of Canons. I might be wrong though. What I know is that 350D can be noisy as **** when not shooting in perfect conditions.

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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:51 am

Quoting Fly747 (Reply 16):

Perfect conditions are the key words here. I have both a 350D & 400D, the 350 in low light shots is complete crap, the 400 is better but only slightly. I did my own tests side by side. And I don't mean a perfectly lit bowl of fruit in a studio. In good lighting the 350 & 400 are great noise wise. But shooting aircraft the only time you up the ISO is low light.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 13):

Whoever "proved" the 350 was better 30D & 400D needs to get on a do some real life tests. Its complete B*****it.
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:38 pm

Quoting Domokun (Reply 15):
Must be a bug that my D80 works just fine @ ISO 100

Correct, my apologies. Slowly but surely, the newer Nikons are beginning to come with ISO100.

A lot of the older ones, however, do not.

Quoting Mrk25 (Reply 17):
Whoever "proved" the 350 was better 30D & 400D needs to get on a do some real life tests. Its complete B*****it.

This also depends on the conditions. I read this in a reputable magazine, so it's unlikely to be bulls**t, but you never know. A lot of factors also depend on the lenses used. Obviously, in this particular test, it looks like the 350D came out on top (it is very good for aviation, I must admit), however I dare say that in alternate tests it may not fare so well. One thing I do know is that, on a noise chart at ISO800 (same review), the 400D was in fact noisier. The 30D was very comparable to the 350D, but began to suffer at high ISOs (if I remember rightly).
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:17 pm

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 18):
I read this in a reputable magazine, so it's unlikely to be bulls**t,

ONce again. Can you provide the links to back up this stuff? Seems you're having a bit of difficulty proving these assertions......
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:45 pm

 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:24 pm

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 18):
Correct, my apologies. Slowly but surely, the newer Nikons are beginning to come with ISO100.

The ISO 200 of the nikon was equal to ISO100 on the canons at that time. It just used different sensor technology.

slowly but surely? yea if you've been sleeping under a rock for the last 1½ years.... D2x was the first in early 2005.
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 21):
The ISO 200 of the nikon was equal to ISO100 on the canons at that time.

Really? I remember dpreview.com says Canon's ISO 100 is about ISO 125 of actual sensitivity, but still not equal to Nikon's ISO 200.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos30d/page20.asp

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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting Bubbles (Reply 22):
I remember dpreview.com says Canon's ISO 100 is about ISO 125 of actual sensitivity, but still not equal to Nikon's ISO 200.

kinda splittin hairs there, lets just say the noise was never an issue
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 1:51 am

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 21):
slowly but surely? yea if you've been sleeping under a rock for the last 1½ years.... D2x was the first in early 2005.

Yeah, sorry folks, could have been a little clearer on this one. I was actually referring more to the 350D's immediate competitors than to the high-end Nikons. D50, D70 and D100 all only went as far as ISO200 (if I remember rightly).

Anyway, we should stop turning this thread into a Canon/Nikon debate and get back to answering the guy's questions.

Karl
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:01 am

Fully agree with that link, Clickhappy. I don't care how good other cameras are in comparison with my own, to be quite honest. The question here was something like, "What camera will be good for me at a budget?", to which my answer was the 350D. This camera (well; with decent lenses too) has enabled me to capture some fantastic aviation images, and part of being a good photographer is down to your own skill (and luck, sometimes!) and not your equipment.

I was simply stating what I'd read/seen and was immediately challenged for forming my own opinion.

And if anyone wants to see my pics (I don't upload to the database as I don't know how to size my images properly - useless with Photoshop), I'd be more than happy to post a few.

Regards,

Karl
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 2:59 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 25):
(I don't upload to the database as I don't know how to size my images properly - useless with Photoshop), I'd be more than happy to post a few.

 Confused

Yea, let's see some images of yours.

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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:04 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 25):
The question here was something like, "What camera will be good for me at a budget?"

Wow, thanks for getting back on track. I almost abandoned this thread because it had gotten so far off topic.
As for pictures, it would be awesome to see some pics from this camera. and for resizing, I learned from this: http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/PsProc.pdf which is some guy telling about Photoshop and stuff. So I hope that helps.

Please stay on topic from now on, I really don't care which camera has better ISO or whatever because I don't know what that is, and frankly it seems like a lot of opinions being shot around. I don't want to know if you agree or disagree with the techniques in the PDF above because I was just referencing it for resizing pictures. Thanks!

ATCme

Edit: Repeated something

[Edited 2006-10-10 00:05:03]
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:17 pm

If you'd like to see some examples of the 350D, all of my shots from Jan 10 on were taken with it...

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...Mike%20Paschal&distinct_entry=true

And if you're at all confused about achieving a correct exposure (proper ISO, shutter speed, aperture...), look into getting this book. It definitely did wonders for me. lol

http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-...04-2265428-2411907?ie=UTF8&s=books

Good luck with finding the right camera!

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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:17 pm

OK, here's some images taken with the 350D:

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All the above are completely unedited in Photoshop (because I can't use it!), i.e. as they came straight out of the camera. You don't have to be a whizz with Photoshop to take plane pictures.

Cheers,

Karl
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:44 pm

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 28):
all of my shots from Jan 10 on were taken with it...


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Mike Paschal



N i c e.............!
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:32 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 29):
All the above are completely unedited in Photoshop (because I can't use it!), i.e. as they came straight out of the camera. You don't have to be a whizz with Photoshop to take plane pictures.

Nice pictures
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:55 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 29):
the above are completely unedited in Photoshop (because I can't use it!),

Why would you buy it then?
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:07 am

I don't actually own Photoshop, so I'm probably being a little negative when I say I can't use it properly. To be honest, I've never tried - and I'm a firm believer in not tampering with my shots in any way to enhance them post-capture. That isn't, of course, to say that I think messing with shots in Photoshop is cheating, it just ain't for me.

I must admit though, there have been times when a lovely aircraft I've shot isn't quite in the middle of the frame and I've really been tempted to crop it a bit to centre it.

Karl
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:17 am

Very nice photos Mike! I liked everyone of them. Just one example of your nice photos here:


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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Mike Paschal



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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 1:59 am

Thanks for all the compliments guys! Hope my shots convince ATC of the potential the 350D has...

Y'all have a nice day!

-Mike
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:32 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 33):
I must admit though, there have been times when a lovely aircraft I've shot isn't quite in the middle of the frame and I've really been tempted to crop it a bit to centre it.

You got those shots centred edge to edge straight out of the camera? Wow.
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:44 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 29):
All the above are completely unedited in Photoshop (because I can't use it!), i.e. as they came straight out of the

They are sharpened though so not completely unedited as you claim  Wink

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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:12 am

I guarantee you 110% they are straight from the camera. The credit for the sharpness surely must go to the quality of my lenses and not Photoshop. Ivan, your eyes for an edited (i.e. sharpened) photograph are not as good as you claim.

I'm still convinced it's all in the glass.....

Getting aircraft centered is something I've concentrated on for many, many years and it does take a lot of practice. As I said, I have no choice but to do it this way 'cos I don't own Photoshop, nor have I ever attempted to use Canon's own software. Computers are not my strong point and I sometimes don't like the fact that my photos will be judged by how well I've edited them and not by how well I initially captured them.

My take on things (and no offence intended to those who edit a lot) is this: if you can't get it right straight from the camera then how did you ever manage with slide? I know a lot of people edit in various programs (the advantage of digital) but it's simply not for me.

I have been told I'm overly fussy with things (I have been known to get a ruler out to measure to the millimetre if the plane is central!) but it's a photographer's prerogative and I do take extreme pride in my work, as do we all. At one time (not so long ago) I would only take a picture if the sun was perfect but now I tend to make exceptions for rare stuff. I may even invest in Photoshop soon as I have some lovely photos which would be even better if they were cropped/centered a little. I am getting the temptation.....

Thanks for all your comments, by the way, good or bad.

Cheers,

Karl

[Edited 2006-10-11 21:15:30]
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 38):
I guarantee you 110% they are straight from the camera. The credit for the sharpness surely must go to the quality of my lenses and not Photoshop.

That's funny because if you look closely on your images, the smaller sizes posted here you see these "funny" pixels all round the aircarft which usually happens after selecting the aircraft and sharpening. Most noticable on the CX.
Unless that's your in-camera sharpening doing that.

Ivan

[Edited 2006-10-11 21:21:29]
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:19 am

To be fair I don't think you can really make a judgement from the resized versions.

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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 8:33 am

My in-camera sharpening is set to 0, so this is the result that setting achieves. Funny it may be, but I assure you they are untampered with. Why do you not believe? Why wouldn't they be fresh from the camera?

I'm simply trying to illustrate what the 350D does in its rawest form, if you like, which means displaying unedited shots taken directly from the camera.

Karl
 
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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:59 am

Looking at the originals they don't look sharpened, so it must be just the way they look when reduced in size I guess.

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RE: Cannon EOS Digital Rebel XT?

Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:34 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 11):
in fact, than many high-end Canons and certainly better than the average Nikon (which tend to only go as low as ISO200).

Just because of the ISO ?
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