bigphilnyc
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"File For Personal Use"

Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:56 pm

With more frequency, I've been getting requests from people asking for a larger version of a photo of mine for personal use.

I always reply with a question as to what they mena by "personal", which is vague to me. If they just want a print, I have no problem printing it up in any size they desire and shipping it to them in a well-protected envelope.

By my printing it, it also helps protect the integrity of my photo by knowing that I've edited it for the appropriate size so that others who will see it wherever it's displayed will see the photo just as I wanted to express it.

But of course, the bigger concern is protecting from inappropriate use. By not sending a file and making the print myself, I can rest with more assurance that my photo will not be printed multiple times, applied to other mediums that I do not approve of, or be resold to someone else.

When I am asked for a file and I ask for more details about their intentions, more often than not they will say it's for a print and if not, I usually don't get a reply at all.

Do you folks get a lot of similar requests? How do you handle them and do you have any strange/bad experiences?
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Lanas
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RE: "File For Personal Use"

Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:10 pm

Hi Phil

It happened to me a couple of times when the F/O of an aircraft I shot asked me for the originals in order to print them for his flight logbook. I trusted the guy, since it was one of the first picture requests I received and also he sent me some awesome pics he had taken in flight, as some sort of 'exchange'.
I don´t know how I would answer to such a request like yours. I don´t think I would print it for him. I believe I would either deny the request or take the shot at it by sending it out. But anyway, there´s no way of finding out about the real usage of the pic. If it´s for a personal print or poster you could ask the guy to take a picture at the print and send it to you as some sort of 'proof' or its correct usage. It´s a possibility I guess.

Cheers!
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RE: "File For Personal Use"

Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting Lanas (Reply 1):
Do you folks get a lot of similar requests? How do you handle them and do you have any strange/bad experiences?

It is an individual call i.e if i can verify who the person is or how trustful i am feelin  Wink . I usually do not send high res versions for this. I consider that a tradeoff.
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RE: "File For Personal Use"

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:26 am

I normally get one or two requests a month from individuals who want photo's for 'personal use'. I normally ask why they want the photo if their original mail is vague since a lot of the requests I get are from pilots / first officers at the controls or passengers who are on the flight. You tend to get a feeling on how genuine the request is and if I feel it is genuine, then I've no problem sending a medium res file of say 1800 x 1200 so they can get a decent 6x4 print. I'd be reluctant to send anything higher than that unless I'm convinced otherwise. I also say that I'm the copyright owner of the image and its for personal use only, not commercial in any way. I know thats difficult to judge, but I've had photo's given to me of flights I've been on and its nice to have the photo so I know where they are coming from. If I'm not convinced its a genuine request for personal use, then I just say there's a 1024 pixel version for their viewing on the website.

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RE: "File For Personal Use"

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:49 am

I get quite a few, and decline most for the reasons you've given. Even if you send the print, there is no way to know for sure if they make a reprint or not. If someone wants to, they can make a decent 8x10 from any image here by simply right clicking and saving the file. Upload it to Wal-Mart, Sam's, Costco, etc, with the copyright bar removed and for $1.86 you will get a print ready to frame.
 
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RE: "File For Personal Use"

Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:59 am

I have such a request sitting in my mailbox which I haven't replied to. Wasn't sure how to reply. He states he wants a hi-res copy, higher than the one up here, for his bedroom, but how do I know? I'm probably going to decline.

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RE: "File For Personal Use"

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:07 am

Hi.
Got a similar request few weeks ago.

Dear Mr. Noack, I am interested in one of your photos. Please contact me! MfG

My answer


Thanks for your interest, which pic are interested in and what for?


the answer

Moin! I would use gladly the photo (see lower left) on private homepage as small Thumb picture. In addition I need however the photo without Airliners.net watermark. You would dispatch the photo to me?! MFG


so I asked for a link to the site and what kind this site is.

His answer


The site still is in the development, and I do not know yet whether I will at all use your photo. It should be a general inquiry to be allowed to use your photo. The side, if ever be online is purely private nature one would use. I would like to acquire neither a copyright nor other rights at your photo. It is, as said, only a nice inquiry whether I can use your photo for it and may. I would have also theoretically copied the picture and cropped out the watermark a editing proogram. With kind regards


Very harsh answer in my eyes. Telling me could've also used it without my permission and I will never ever had known it.

Georg

P.S: Used Altavista for translation from German due to the lack of time - sorry it's not 100 correct.
 
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RE: "File For Personal Use"

Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:11 am

Quoting Fly747 (Reply 5):
He states he wants a hi-res copy, higher than the one up here, for his bedroom,

LOL oh yea. He wants to hang it right over his bed.  biggrin 

I would be very weary of these requests. Tell them you will send them a print any size they want and how much it will cost. Simple.
Hey that guy with the private jet can bail us out! Why? HE CAN AFFORD IT!
 
bigphilnyc
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RE: "File For Personal Use"

Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:23 am

Quoting JeffM (Reply 4):
I get quite a few, and decline most for the reasons you've given. Even if you send the print, there is no way to know for sure if they make a reprint or not. If someone wants to, they can make a decent 8x10 from any image here by simply right clicking and saving the file.

So you never sell prints then?
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RE: "File For Personal Use"

Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 8):
So you never sell prints then?

Pretty much no, not to Billy Bob that wants one for his wall. I do however sell prints to companies that ask, but they must be from an email address from the company wanting the photo. e.g. Bob from XXX Flight Services wants a photo for company use. His email address should be Bob@xxxflightservices.com. If they are legit, they have no problem when I ask for this.

A contract letter stating it's very specific use and terms is sent for them to sign and return before I send the file or print. That alone filters out quite a few fakes. If it is for web use, I will only sell after having viewed a live web page, no "under construction" crap.
 
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RE: "File For Personal Use"

Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:26 am

I'm just really surprised by that. I give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to selling prints.

At airline conventions, I sell 8x10s and 4x6s of my work. Though selling photos has slowed down a lot for me since I don't dedicate as much time as I used to, prints account for probably 35% of my professional photo work.

I just can't imagine that it's that common for someone to buy an 8x10 of mine and successfully resell it. Not that it's not possible or doesn't happen, I just can't see it being rampant enough in the aviation world to prevent me from selling prints to enthusiasts.
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RE: "File For Personal Use"

Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting BigPhilNYC (Reply 10):
I'm just really surprised by that. I give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to selling prints.

I can understand that. I make real money from weddings and portraits, airplane stuff is just for fun and never taken really that seriously. It's just not worth the time or effort.

I can't see myself ever attending an airliner convention, but I could see selling prints already made in advance if I were going to. That would be a whole different story.

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