Stealthz
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Amateurs, The Internet And The Photo Market

Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:13 pm

A recent thread about "New" Professional photographers raised some interesting comments(and some blood pressure).
This article from the Melbourne Age, whilst having little directly to do with aviation certainly has some interesting comments about the ability of amateurss to sell their pics and about the attitudes of corporations/media scouring the internet for photos and paying a pittance(if that) for them

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/11/04/1162340095906.html

... "media lecturer at Swinburne University, Dr Mark Finn, says the amateur agency is bad news for professional photographers. "I've been reading about professionals giving up the game. Corporations are seeking out work on amateur sites like flickr.com and paying a pittance. It's fairly new but it's starting to burn people."...

..."For a lot of punters, it's all about being a player. 'I'm in the paper.' Whenever possible I'll get them a byline. It will inspire them to go out and take more pictures."

..."A community psychologist with Victoria University, Heather Gridley, says the amateur paparazzi trend is "ultimately narcissism. It's giving people an inflated sense of their position in the world. They feel they are somebody important and this becomes a validation of their own existence. I shoot, therefore I am."


Cheers

[Edited 2006-11-05 07:25:49]
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
 
jorge1812
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RE: Amateurs, The Internet And The Photo Market

Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:17 am

I read this article later but think it has some good points in it. Be happy that you don't have to see the Bild Leser reporter in our yellow press, I don't think you speak/read german, but just see the pics and keep in mind how much money people got for this shit.

http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news...ter/startseite/leser-reporter.html

Sad, very sad.

Georg
 
eadster
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RE: Amateurs, The Internet And The Photo Market

Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:16 pm

I can understand where Pro's are coming from.

Because of the digital age, anyone can pick up a camera and soon workout how to use it, no matter if it is DSLR or a point n shoot. You don't have to wait till your rolls of film are developed to see where you went wrong. Nowadays just shoot, if its not right, delete it, change a few settings and have another crack at the shot.

Also too, for those that are a little slower in taking it all in, there is of course the internet - having trouble, just logon and read a few articles. I suppose we just have to look at ourselves here at Anet, giving out advice to others. I think at mixture of the digital age, the internet and just the advance of technology going at the pace it is these days, its no wonder that pro's are giving it all up. It's hard to compete.
 
INNflight
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RE: Amateurs, The Internet And The Photo Market

Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:00 pm

Quoting Eadster (Reply 2):
its no wonder that pro's are giving it all up. It's hard to compete.

Sure it's hard, that's the point where good (talented?) professionals will stand out and remain in business.

There's more competition, the money has to be earned harder, you have to be better, faster or more creative than (amateur) competitors. I can hardly imagine the one's complaining (and giving up) are top of the line people. Most likely those who yet managed to do it but start to struggle as more people push in the market.

Pro's come and go I think...  Smile
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TedTAce
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RE: Amateurs, The Internet And The Photo Market

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting Eadster (Reply 2):
Because of the digital age, anyone can pick up a camera and soon workout how to use it, no matter if it is DSLR or a point n shoot. You don't have to wait till your rolls of film are developed to see where you went wrong. Nowadays just shoot, if its not right, delete it, change a few settings and have another crack at the shot.

This is MOSTLY true. But only in the sense of the educational process. The 'old pro's' had to get it as right as soon as possible because the lessons were VERY expensive. Now learning is a lot more easy/cheap and for that I think everyone will benefit. Part of the reality that is being missed is that while anyone with a pulse and a pocketbook can take an ok shot, it's going to be the spotters working odd light conditions, weird visibilities, and the foresight that only comes with experience to setup the shot that will win them praise they deserve from everyone who's worth listening too.
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JeffM
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RE: Amateurs, The Internet And The Photo Market

Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
it's going to be the spotters working odd light conditions, weird visibilities, and the foresight that only comes with experience to setup the shot that will win them praise they deserve from everyone who's worth listening too.

Talk about a crock of sh*t.

Are you worth listening to? No in my opionion.  rotfl 
 
eadster
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RE: Amateurs, The Internet And The Photo Market

Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):

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tappan
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RE: Amateurs, The Internet And The Photo Market

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:20 pm

To all my fellow photographers who make all or some of their living selling photos...Repeat after me.....
Good pictures will always be your salvation
Good pictures will always be your salvation
Good pictures will always be your salvation
Good pictures will always be your salvation

Mark Garfinkel

p.s There is plenty of opportunity out there for all of us.
 
maiznblu_757
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RE: Amateurs, The Internet And The Photo Market

Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:58 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 5):
Talk about a crock of sh*t.

Are you worth listening to? No in my opionion.

  

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goboeing
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RE: Amateurs, The Internet And The Photo Market

Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:55 pm

With prices of digital camera equipment always dropping and more people getting into photography because of this, I think today is the best day professional photographers are going to have for the rest of their careers. It is only going to go downhill from here.

I'm not wishing that upon them or hoping for it. But that is how I see it.

If people taking digital pictures can get editing software easily and find a place to host images, there will be so many more pictures available for any person or organization to use for whatever use they want. There will be so many images that naturally the asking price for usage will come down.

At some point people might believe that pictures may not really be worth what has been charged in the past. It's just that there weren't so many of them until digital.

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