Lanas
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Some Tips On This Bad Centered Pics

Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:30 am

Hi guys

I just got rejected these for bad centering.  fight  Could you help me out? Seems to me that they are a little low in the frame, but I can´t really realize. I need some objective eyes.  eyepopping 

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...30_DSC08506_sh200x2_sh100_c2b4.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...08552_sh500_sh110_c2b3_bedit-2.jpg

Any comments appreciated! Thank you very much!  thumbsup 

Cheers!
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RE: Some Tips On This Bad Centered Pics

Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:46 am

Quoting Lanas (Thread starter):
I need some objective eyes.

Both pictures look a bit weird and unbalanced in the composition.

The first one is definently too heavy on the right side. It needs to be cropped tighter on the left side. That will however cut parts of the plane like you have done in your second shot.

Taking pictures from this angle requires timing. I am afraid that both pictures were taken a little too late, which gives a perspective that is hard to balance.

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RE: Some Tips On This Bad Centered Pics

Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:38 am

If this were baseball, I'd say "high and to the right".

They are too high and need more space. "Balance Grasshopper....Balance.."  Wink
 
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RE: Some Tips On This Bad Centered Pics

Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:01 pm

The quality is definitely lacking, as well. Looks a bit soft/blurry to me, with oversharpening to compensate causing jaggies and a "halo-y" look.
 
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RE: Some Tips On This Bad Centered Pics

Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:45 am

Hi guys thanks for your replies  Smile

Quoting Jajo (Reply 1):
The first one is definently too heavy on the right side.



Quoting JeffM (Reply 2):
I'd say "high and to the right".

I see your point. The composition looks indeed weird, specially on the first one. I always try not to cut the elevators so as not to fall into a motive rejection. It has happened a couple of times.  Sad

Quoting JeffM (Reply 2):
They are too high and need more space.

By "more space" you mean not to crop so tight?

As for a centering tip, where shall I put the cropping centre? I always get confused with that. I usually set it between the windows and the lower part of the fuselage. That might cause the aircraft to go high on the frame, but otherwise there would be too much sky. I still don´t know what´s better.

I´ll try to fix them up, any new comments are very welcome. Thanks!  thumbsup 

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RE: Some Tips On This Bad Centered Pics

Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:39 am

Quoting Lanas (Reply 4):
As for a centering tip, where shall I put the cropping centre? I always get confused with that. I usually set it between the windows and the lower part of the fuselage. That might cause the aircraft to go high on the frame, but otherwise there would be too much sky. I still don´t know what´s better.

First of all, please excuse the self plug here. I am only using it for the purpose of providing an example. This shot is from a similar angle to your first shot.

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Photo © Ryan Pastorino



Here is a screen shot taken from photoshop showing how the crop lines up on the photo.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b359/Silver1SWA/Clipboard01.jpg

In your shot, the crop is too close to the nose. I would say don't make the crop so tight. Leave a little space. Also, there is too much space below the aircraft. Leave more space above the tail.

[Edited 2006-12-01 23:42:27]
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RE: Some Tips On This Bad Centered Pics

Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:50 am

Wow Ryan that´s a very clear explanation thank you very much. It was a great example you provided with the PS screenshot.  veryhappy 
Shall I leave more space on the nose on shots with cut out elevators too? (For example on the Pluna shot).
I´ll keep your hints into account for my next edit.  stirthepot 
Thanks!

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RE: Some Tips On This Bad Centered Pics

Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting Lanas (Reply 6):
Shall I leave more space on the nose on shots with cut out elevators too? (For example on the Pluna shot).

Well, I have an example of that too...

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Photo © Ryan Pastorino

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If you are going to cut out the horizontal stabilizers, I would say tighten the crop as much as you can using the outermost portions of the aircraft on both sides excluding the stabilizers. I used the nose and the far corner of the vertical stabilizer. I think you need lower the aircraft in the frame. Lining the crop with the center being at the windows leaves the aircraft too high. Take the tail into account and try to find a balance. I should also note that both shots have a 3:2 crop ratio. I think that helps.
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RE: Some Tips On This Bad Centered Pics

Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:40 am

That´s a tight crop indeed! I guess it looks better, yes. I hope I can get it right. I´ll re-center my pics from now on. Thank you very much  Smile

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RE: Some Tips On This Bad Centered Pics

Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:09 am

Hi Gaston,

Try to have middle marker usually between the wing and the windows, this should normally give you good vertical alignment. Regarding horizontal centering, well, for me here a lot of personal taste comes in. Sometimes I prefer not to amputate to much from the aircraft in order to have it in full glory. With other pictures I can see the need to use the knife (=crop tool) to have the picture correctly balanced. Personally I am a fan of tight crops (to have as much aircraft as possible in the frame), but you need to give it also a little breathing space (Ryans example is for me too close for comfort).
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RE: Some Tips On This Bad Centered Pics

Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting Acontador (Reply 9):
between the wing and the windows

Andres

You´re right here. That´s what I´ve always been doing until these last rejections. On the Aerolineas picture the photo looks unballanced, I understand. But on the Pluna one I don´t know that much. I was pretty close to appealing. I´ll better see what happens with the re-uploaded ones first.  optimist   crossfingers 
As for horizontal centering, I´ve always cropped tightly on the planes, but lately I wanted to give some "breathing space" to them. It´s up to personal taste I guess, as long as you keep within the standards of good composition and ballance.
Thanks for your reply. Take care.  thumbsup 

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