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vzlet
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Rejection/Motiv Question

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:56 am

Would this rejection be due to the integral airstair, or is the person the cause?

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...me=20061205_C40_010041adw19my6.jpg
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RE: Rejection/Motiv Question

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:04 am

Was this photo rejected for motive, or was there another reason for the rejection? IMHO I like the photo, but could have some work done on the quality. I see some 'jaggies' in the windows, the lettering above the windows, and the tail. Plus it seems that there is some grainyness on the entire photo.
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RE: Rejection/Motiv Question

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:07 am

I think I saw somewhere that inbuilt stairs don't affect motiv, and those are even on the opposite side. Hope it gets it, somehow nice! But of course some things can be fixed, as Avsfan said.

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RE: Rejection/Motiv Question

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting Vzlet (Thread starter):
Would this rejection be due to the integral airstair, or is the person the cause?

A bit of both. Airstairs are not normally a problem but the fact that they obscure the engine intake is an issue. The person is more obtrusive and avoidable by waiting a few seconds.
The image is a little oversharp too with jaggies evident on the fin.

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RE: Rejection/Motiv Question

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 3):
A bit of both. Airstairs are not normally a problem but the fact that they obscure the engine intake is an issue. The person is more obtrusive and avoidable by waiting a few seconds.

Exactly my thoughts, a simple bit of patience and thought would have gone a long way here  Smile
 
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RE: Rejection/Motiv Question

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:20 am

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 3):
The person is more obtrusive and avoidable by waiting a few seconds.

True, but I feel that having the crew chief in the picture gives it a little bit of life. It shows that there action around the plane instead of it just sitting on the ramp all by itself. To me it would not be any different than someone posting a flight-deck photo with the pilots performing their duties or a stale cabin shot full of passengers just sitting in their seats.

My  twocents  worth.

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RE: Rejection/Motiv Question

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:44 am

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 3):
ut the fact that they obscure the engine intake is an issue.

 banghead 

Again, I don't observe the photos I comment on enough. Damn; me.
 
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RE: Rejection/Motiv Question

Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:46 am

Quoting Avsfan (Reply 5):
True, but I feel that having the crew chief in the picture gives it a little bit of life.

It does yes, but spoils the shot in this instance. So do the stairs to be honest. Clean shots (and by that I mean clear of obstructions), are much nicer to look at I think.

Here the stairs aren't too intrusive but its still uneasy with the engine covered because of them. Looking at the shot, I'm saying to myself, "Get out of the way, dude!" to the guy in the shot! He just seems to be in the way!!
 
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RE: Rejection/Motiv Question

Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:25 am

Mike

I think the person is obstructive because he is like doing nothing, just walking. Other cases where ground operators are working on the nose gear or the engine, for example, can be more appealing or just give a better feel to the photo. I agree with Martin, It´s like a "get out of the way, dude!" impression on this one.
As for the stairs, I believe that the criteria states that built-in stairs can´t fall into the motive call, but this can be an exception. The airstairs take away part of the beauty of the shot, and also its motive. Such closeups usually focus on the fuselage and the engines, so having the latter blocked looks kind of funny.

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RE: Rejection/Motiv Question

Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:18 am

Quoting Avsfan (Reply 1):
rejected for motive, or was there another reason for the rejection?

I need to apologize for my own lack of observance; I took another look at the email and "people" is indeed listed as a second reason. I can't see that this is "people" in the normal sense that someone is recognisable, but the screener clearly felt the guy in the way detracted from the shot.

Although I had the answer to my question and didn't know it, I thank each of you for your responses and insights.

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RE: Rejection/Motiv Question

Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:45 am

Quoting Lanas (Reply 8):
I think the person is obstructive because he is like doing nothing, just walking.

The guy walking around the plane is most likely the crew-chief and he is probably peforming what is called a 'walk around'. In other words, he is ensuring that the plane is ready to go prior to flight.

Quoting Lanas (Reply 8):
Other cases where ground operators are working on the nose gear or the engine, for example, can be more appealing or just give a better feel to the photo.

IMHO and experience, there is no difference between a military crew-chief doing a 'walk around' and airline personnel loading bags onto a plane or getting an airliner ready for a flight.

Quoting Lanas (Reply 8):
I agree with Martin, It´s like a "get out of the way, dude!" impression on this one.

Sorry, but bad way to put this. I know that the crew chief would be honored to have his plane photographed (provided it was done legally) and know that the photo could be published on a site like this.

Mike...just curious how you were able to get a photo like this? I know that photographing aircraft while they sit the ramp of a US military installations is illegal...unless you were given permission by the base public affairs office.
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RE: Rejection/Motiv Question

Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:03 pm

Quoting Avsfan (Reply 10):
just curious how you were able to get a photo like this? I know that photographing aircraft while they sit the ramp of a US military installations is illegal...unless you were given permission by the base public affairs office.

It was during the DoD Open House at ADW.
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