PUnmuth@VIE
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Motiv, Colour And Level

Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:23 pm

I have no idea why i got those three (amongst jagged) on this pic

Motiv? No idea why.
Color? See motiv.
Level? The few verticals visible are as they should be.
Any pointers or ideas on this one would bee appreciated.
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:56 pm

I agree a little bit cw rotation would look better, otherwise nice shot Peter.#

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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:13 am

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Thread starter):
Motiv? No idea why.

That thing in the upper left corner of the frame.

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Thread starter):
Color?

Black & white...why not color?

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Thread starter):
Level?

Needs CW rotation.


Could also use a little more crop on the right.

[Edited 2006-12-27 16:13:47]
 
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:35 am

Hmmm, I'm a bit surprised you got a motiv rejection ... and that you ask for an opinion   

The cockpit windows are jagged.
Level - a bit CW rotation.
Colour ? LOL

Really strange.

KS/codeshare

[Edited 2006-12-27 16:39:56]

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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 2):
That thing in the upper left corner of the frame.

Isn't that a tail of Austrian Airlines?
 
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 4):
Isn't that a tail of Austrian Airlines?

Yes it is. I don't think that has to do with the motive.

Somehow I get the impression the screener was linking the color and motive together, but I may be way off base. It does look like some CW rotation would make it appear more level.
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:03 am

Motive: The starboard prop disc is slightly cut.
Colour: There is none!
Level: Needs CW rotation.
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:08 am

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 2):
Black & white...why not color?

Why not black and white? an old DC3, perfectly natural to take it in black and white i would have thought.

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 2):
That thing in the upper left corner of the frame.

a tail of a Austrian aircraft behind a tree. bit picky for a motive rejection don't you think?
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:12 am

Quoting Gary2880 (Reply 7):
a tail of a Austrian aircraft behind a tree. bit picky for a motive rejection don't you think?

I would suggest that if you are going to upload a shot of an old DC-3 in B&W the last thing you want to see in the background is the tail of a modern airliner.
To me it needs some CCW rotation.
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 8):
I would suggest that if you are going to upload a shot of an old DC-3 in B&W the last thing you want to see in the background is the tail of a modern airliner.

A fair point.
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:45 am

Quoting Flyfisher1976 (Reply 2):
Could also use a little more crop on the right.

Agreed, it would look more equal then than having more space on one side than the other.
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting Codeshare (Reply 3):
and that you ask for an opinion

Why not ask. That's one of the reasons this forum exists. No?

Quoting Viv (Reply 6):
Motive: The starboard prop disc is slightly cut.

No.
Quoting Viv (Reply 6):
Colour: There is none!

Thanks for the smart feedback.

Quoting PictureThis (Reply 10):
Agreed, it would look more equal then than having more space on one side than the other.

Then why not use the centered reason? That would be much clearer then a rather vague motiv rejection.

[Edited 2006-12-27 19:42:50]

[Edited 2006-12-27 19:43:12]
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 11):
That would be much clearer then a rather vague motiv rejection.

I am fairly sure it's the Austrian Airlines tail in the background that has caused this.
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 8):
I would suggest that if you are going to upload a shot of an old DC-3 in B&W the last thing you want to see in the background is the tail of a modern airliner.

Actually that's just true.  ashamed 
 
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:41 am

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 11):
Then why not use the centered reason? That would be much clearer then a rather vague motiv rejection.

Rejected For Motive? (by LIPH Dec 27 2006 in Aviation Photography)

have a read of that Peter...might help you with the motive reason!
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Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 12):
I am fairly sure it's the Austrian Airlines tail in the background that has caused this.

not sure there is anything in the shot that comes close to the motive explanation on the rejections page. it only mentions foregrounds, not background...obviously you can't control what's happening in the background of a photo at a busy airport...if they start rejecting for motive due to backgrounds then we may aswell stop shooting.
 
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:21 am

Howdy Peter,

Cracking shot you got there.. Shows the true value of a historic aircraft. If i'm honest my eyes were not drawn to the Austrian Tail but more to the fact of the props e.t.c.

Hell i was mega suprised when they accepted a 777 in black and white!

(Dont click it!) But it just goes to show..

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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:19 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 14):
have a read of that Peter...might help you with the motive reason!

I did and it didn't help in anyway except in getting a good laugh about the motive rejection there.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 14):
it only mentions foregrounds, not background..

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Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 14):
then we may aswell stop shooting.

Not shooting but uploading maybe. It really sucks when you get motive and no explanation for it as well as for the ridiculous colour rejection.
Guess this shot just goes into the "no reasonable explanation available" bin as many others from many uploaders lately.
Thanks to those who took their valuable time for answering here.
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:55 pm

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 11):
Then why not use the centered reason? That would be much clearer then a rather vague motiv rejection.

Well that issue lies with the screeners. Centered would be more appropriate perhaps, but the motiv rejection may have had nothing to do with the borders.

Still I do reckon that it should be more equal at the sides though, as it may help if you choose to upload it again.  Smile
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:30 pm

Looking at the rejected DC-3 shot, I wonder, how you guys can tell, if that photo is level or not. The only vertical lines I see, are some posts of the fence behind the aircraft, and don't tell me, they are always level ....  Wink

Centering is another issue mentioned: As far as I can see, it is centered from engine to engine (without taking the props into account), which makes perfect sense, as they are far more prominent, than the props in this photo.

Anyway, my CHF 0.02 worth

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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:48 pm

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 14):
it only mentions foregrounds, not background...

The text should be changed. Headscreeners remark upon appeal was:
"Presence of modern aircraft spoils "retro" look, thus the "motiv" for b&w is unwarranted"
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:52 pm

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 19):
"Presence of modern aircraft spoils "retro" look, thus the "motiv" for b&w is unwarranted"

bad background...  Wink new rejection reason!
 
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:19 pm

Quoting EWS (Reply 15):
Hell i was mega suprised when they accepted a 777 in black and white!

That's because that particular rule was not changed until recently. Your shot was added 2005.
 
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RE: Motiv, Colour And Level

Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:35 pm

Quoting Gerardo (Reply 18):
Looking at the rejected DC-3 shot, I wonder, how you guys can tell, if that photo is level or not. The only vertical lines I see, are some posts of the fence behind the aircraft, and don't tell me, they are always level ....

The mainwheels are below the plane of the camera, yet the port mainwheel is closer to the camera therefore it should appear slightly lower in the photo than the starboard mainwheel. A question of perspective.

This is not a rule to be followed for its own sake: it explains why, in my eyes (and those of others who have posted here), the photo looks like it needs slight cw rotation.

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 19):
"Presence of modern aircraft spoils "retro" look, thus the "motiv" for b&w is unwarranted"

I have to say I can see the sense in this. Once you realise that's a jetliner's tail it kind of ruins the effect for me.
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