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Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:29 am

In my course of daily perusing the a.net database, I found two photos that were taken at virtually the same instant and from the same perspective. I have seen those photos taken at SFO at the same time from two different perspectives, but these photos are taken from the same spot. I don't really have a question, but just wanted to point this out. I personally think that the one on the left is better.


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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:40 am

The second photo was taken a few seconds later, you'll notice the main gear doors have begun to retract. Otherwise it looks like the photographers were right next to each other... though I couldn't tell you which one was on the left and which one was on the right.
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Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:59 am

Nothing new happens all the time. The database is loaded with things like this, always interesting to see the processing outcome.

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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:34 am

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 1):
The second photo was taken a few seconds later, you'll notice the main gear doors have begun to retract. Otherwise it looks like the photographers were right next to each other... though I couldn't tell you which one was on the left and which one was on the right.

I think you have it reversed. The photo on the right (taken by Philippe Ballerstedt) was taken first. Notice that the inboard main landing gear door have just started to cycle open. In the photo on the left (taken by Omar Alex Saffe) the inboard door has completely opened and the gear has just started to retract.
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:45 pm

I guess my reaction to this is that I have noticed many examples of 'duplicates'. Take all the 777's and 747's shot at AMS from the same spotting position day after day. Not withstanding the fact that they are all great quality, how many do you need in the database? Compare that to countless rejections for non-technical reasons and there is an argument to promote variety assuming the shot meets the technical criteria.
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:52 pm

Quoting Jasond (Reply 4):
Take all the 777's and 747's shot at AMS

or all the scantily clad women at SXM with a plane in the background. Apparently, we are not yet bored of that either.
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:54 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
or all the scantily clad women at SXM with a plane in the background.

How do those not get a people rejection??


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People and faces are clearly visible...

However, that's off-topic. Duplicates are quite common. I too take interest in the processing differences.

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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:30 pm

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 6):
I too take interest in the processing differences.

I'm more interested in photography differences.

I would like to politely challenge people (especially at AMS, MAN, and SXM) to shoot something unusual. Something we haven't already seen a jillion times. Any takers?
 
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:03 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I'm more interested in photography differences.

I would like to politely challenge people (especially at AMS, MAN, and SXM) to shoot something unusual. Something we haven't already seen a jillion times. Any takers?

What would you suggest that does not fall out of the motive window then?

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I would be glad to go out and try something different and quite often do, so if you have any suggestions please share them with us.

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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:06 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I would like to politely challenge people (especially at AMS, MAN, and SXM) to shoot something unusual. Something we haven't already seen a jillion times. Any takers?

For AMS, I think most viewing options where you can photograph with 'normal' camera gear (lenses up to 400mm) have been covered (name me something you'd like to see, I'll tell you if it's possible or not). With air-side access the possibilities grow a bit, most of us have no such privilege. Plus, things that some people seem to forget: AMS is very high on the wishlist of any spotter. People complain about 'yet another KLM 747' on A.net, but when they come visit AMS, what do they do?! Shoot every single KLM 747 and upload it. Call it a victim of its own success. Same goes for MAN and SXM.

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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:17 pm

Quoting Jid (Reply 9):
What would you suggest that does not fall out of the motive window then?

I don't know, honestly. My challenge isn't to say there's no merit in the shots that are being taken now, just I want to see something cool and different!  Smile I will still look and stare at a photo that is technically well done, and aesthetically pleasing, but I also want to see a little more creativity. What can *you* do with the same raw materials as the next guy?

I mean when I go to DCA, I am usually not the only spotter there if it's a sunny day. So, I tend to go when the weather's not so hot, and see if I can grab something unusual. I hardly ever just stand at Gravelly Point. Although, I do admit to uploading plenty of those "standard" shots too, so please don't take this as me being overly critical.
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:29 pm

Trying something different usually doesnt make it on a.net.
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:29 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
so please don't take this as me being overly critical

We don't, no worries...  Smile It's just that at these popular airports, most things have been done/tried already. The lack of a nice background scenery also give you fewer options. I'd love to have snowy mountains in the background, shoot air-to-air, 100ft from the runway with a wide angle or see a 747 take off from a 6000ft runway, but no can do here. We'll have to try other airports for that.  Smile

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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:40 pm

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 6):
Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
or all the scantily clad women at SXM with a plane in the background.

How do those not get a people rejection??



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People and faces are clearly visible...

However, that's off-topic. Duplicates are quite common. I too take interest in the processing differences.

-Mike

Thats one thing i dont understand how shots like this get on A.net when you can clearly see faces and some very attractive females in bikini's which isnt a bad thing but rule state(as from Thierry's guide) People or faces unless Pilots or famous people arent accepted but day after day these shots appear on a.net.
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:45 pm

Quoting Aussie18 (Reply 12):
Trying something different usually doesnt make it on a.net.

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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:57 pm

Quoting Aussie18 (Reply 12):
Trying something different usually doesnt make it on a.net.

Then keep trying! Not trying certainly won't make it.  Wink

I have two shots at DCA sitting in Johan's queue right now probably because I pushed the envelope. If they don't make it, I'll still have the satisfaction of having what I think is a pretty neat shot. Making a.net would be nice, but not necessary.

Quoting IL76 (Reply 13):
It's just that at these popular airports, most things have been done/tried already.

Same can be said of DCA! I didn't say it was going to be easy, that's why it's a challenge.  Wink I refuse to believe that the photographers here aren't itching to let their creative juices fly at these places.
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting Flugnord (Reply 8):
http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...name=Double&album_creator=flugnord


The only thing that makes sense here is Joe Pries's 747 taken at HNL in 1999.

Other photos don't make sense as they were all taken by different photographers.

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Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:25 pm

Quoting Flugnord (Reply 8):
http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...name=Double&album_creator=flugnord

Interesting to have the exact same sky with 6 months between  Wink


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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:33 pm

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 6):
How do those not get a people rejection??

Look at those hooters on the girl in the black bikini!  biggrin 

Quoting Aussie18 (Reply 12):
Trying something different usually doesnt make it on a.net.

If the quality is good it does.
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 18):
Interesting to have the exact same sky with 6 months between

Nice catch Georg hope the editors will correct the error...

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 6):
People and faces are clearly visible...

I thought the same on that one probably Johan took the last decision.

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Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:06 am

Since you're talking doubles...:


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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:12 am

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...name=Double&album_creator=flugnord

As for the J.41 shot, A6-ESK...

It's no suprise to me that the shot taken by Nik is so similar to that taken by myself.....I removed the D200 from my tripod and Nik then placed his D70 onto it and fired away without even moving the tripod!!

Regards...Paul Massey.  Wink
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:54 am

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 17):
The only thing that makes sense here is Joe Pries's 747 taken at HNL in 1999.

Other photos don't make sense as they were all taken by different photographers.

What i mean by this album is that they look the same... I don't care if they are taken by different photographers, they look the same!!!
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:11 am

Quoting Flugnord (Reply 23):
What i mean by this album is that they look the same... I don't care if they are taken by different photographers, they look the same!!!

Take it easy Þórður, they're still not doubles.  Smile
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:36 am

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 21):
Since you're talking doubles...:

Wow... that's impressive, yet somewhat disturbing. I can't even imagine that many spotters in one place. lol

Quoting Flugnord (Reply 23):
What i mean by this album is that they look the same...

That's a great idea Þórður (I honestly have absolutely no idea how your name is pronounced... is there an English translation?). That's what I think of when I read "doubles." You should consider adding all those MadMax AMS shots...

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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:38 am

Quoting Aussie18 (Reply 12):
Trying something different usually doesn't make it on a.net.


And even if the quality is good enough to get accepted under normal side on shots it gets rejected. I'm tired of seeing al these boring side-on shots. I admit to uploading them because thats my only chance. If I do anything different I have motive to worry about. And believe me, I've tried that.

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Edit: And even the side on shots that aren't the same all look the same, boring with blue sky behind some airplane. They're all the same shot.

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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:52 am

Quoting Aussie18 (Reply 12):
Trying something different usually doesnt make it on a.net.

Here's a list of things you can do that are out of the ordinary:

1) Shoot in bad weather
2) Shoot at sunset/sunrise
3) Shoot PROPS!! (Anybody can do this, and the site certainly lacks them.)
4) Shoot mega-crops
5) Shoot from places other than the traditional spotting place
6) Shoot rotations
7) Shoot general aviation (if you ask nice, they might let you get *very* close to the planes)
8) Take a nice long walk around the airport and visualize the shot - then shoot.

These things can still make a.net, and may even make your shooting experience more rewarding because you put the time and effort into making something uniquely yours. Don't give up saying all A.net takes is side-ons, unless you're somehow special, or have the most expensive equipment.
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:37 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
make your shooting experience more rewarding

One way to tell if you're in a shooting rut:
View your shots at the "Tiny Photos - 120/page" setting. Is there considerable variety or do you see primarily two or three themes repeated over and over?
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Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:27 pm

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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:37 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
7) Shoot general aviation (if you ask nice, they might let you get *very* close to the planes)

Very true... That's the story behind this one:


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I walked into the main office at HMT (which requires you to walk onto the ramp anyway) and just asked if I could walk around and take some shots... I got a positive response and got a nice shot of classic aircraft (as well as many other GA aircraft which I haven't uploaded)...
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:12 pm

I like to do more artistics photos of aircraft, but many of then hardly would pass here... But hey!! The rules are clear, so let's do what the rules says. I would love to see not the quality be lowered but the variety be more acceptable.  Smile
 
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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:52 pm

Here's a couple where the photographers WERE standing side by side!


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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:55 pm

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 25):
That's a great idea Þórður (I honestly have absolutely no idea how your name is pronounced... is there an English translation?).

You could try to say Thorthur... That's what my English teacher says and she's English so...
 
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Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:59 pm

Myself and Paul Markman have taken shots side by side, and never realised at the time!


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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:08 am

Well, it's not exactly the same shot, but that's because Alejandro beat me in uploading the head-on, and I found the other one taken just a second later with the nice reflection  Wink :


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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting Acontador (Reply 35):
Alejandro beat me in uploading the head-on,

I think there's something good to be said about not uploading the same shot as your friend.  Smile Yours is certainly a nice shot as well.
 
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Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:51 pm

Hi all,
Here are some of my 'double' findings  Wink

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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:06 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
I would like to politely challenge people (especially at AMS, MAN, and SXM) to shoot something unusual. Something we haven't already seen a jillion times. Any takers?

Hello,

based on the above statement, when I was at SXM I tried a different approach beside the the usual Maho beach by trying to to get some departures.

Below you have some examples. Do you think they can make it into the database comparing them with the "usual" landing shots over the beach and blue-green waters?

Same goes in my opinion for bad weather pictures. The general idea here is to have nicely lit pictures that you cannot get under gloomy skies or heavy rain. You have another example below... can it make it?

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Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:25 pm

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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting Spacejumper (Reply 38):
Below you have some examples. Do you think they can make it into the database comparing them with the "usual" landing shots over the beach and blue-green waters?

I think these shots definitely have potential, but they need to be re-edited I think.

I *LOVE* the AC shot taking off in the snow! Such an extreme angle! DEFINITELY a nice grab that you should edit and submit.
 
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Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:49 am

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Here are two taken in June... in July, we were uploading-crazy, so we didn't care that we uploaded two almost-identical. Now, we've stopped doing that because it's somehow not clever...

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RE: Nearly Identical Photos On A.NET

Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:46 am

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 41):
Now, we've stopped doing that because it's somehow not clever...

Why? Imagine the database without hundrets of shots of taking-off CO/LH or whatever 737's infront of blue sky b/c there's already one pic online  Wink

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