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Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:50 am

Browsing the database,
have encountered some shots that made me hesitant regarding few issues for acceptance :

- Engines : is it necessary that *both* engines are always displayed (especially in front shots) ? If not, at which conditions ?
- Tails : when is it possible to "cut" them ?
- Gears : at which conditions (especially the front gears) one can "cut" them ?

Thanks in advance for help

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RE: Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:31 am

There are no set limits when they can and can't be cropped out. It depends on the photo.
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RE: Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:42 am

Giovanni, there are no fixed rules about this; as Jurgen said it all depends on the photo.
If you cut off parts of an airplane always ask yourself: "Why am I doing this?"
If you cut off parts it's gotta be motivated.

Concerning the gears normally it's an all-or-nothing thing; either you include it in your entity or you completely cut it off. Everything else normally looks quite weird.

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RE: Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:15 am

It's more about balance and esthetics then hard and fast rules....
 
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RE: Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:11 am

For example : I love the following shot, but cannot understand why it was cropped that way....:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...=1&prev_id=&next_id=1015488&size=L

Could you guys post some examples in order I can figure out what "balance" mean ?

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RE: Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting LIPH (Reply 4):
I love the following shot, but cannot understand why it was cropped that way

Well, you probably love it because the way it was cropped.

Without the control tower, the right side would probably have looked too empty and that would have made the picture look unbalanced.

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RE: Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:27 am

Peter,
so basically you're saying that every part of the picture must have a subject ? Without the tower that side of the pic could be considered "empty" ? Probably I must focus on what is considered "empty space" in a pic ? I must admit that the concept of "balance" iself is not that easy to understand... frown 

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RE: Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:29 pm

Quoting LIPH (Reply 6):
so basically you're saying that every part of the picture must have a subject ? Without the tower that side of the pic could be considered "empty" ? Probably I must focus on what is considered "empty space" in a pic ? I must admit that the concept of "balance" iself is not that easy to understand...

You like the 747/tower shot (so do I, thanks for linking to it, it's a great picture) but you wonder why it works out so well. Don't focus on emptiness, subject, certainly don't focus on airliners.net traditional rules like centering, not cutting off tails and gears. Just think about the balance. I'm not a specialist of Golden Ratio / Esthetics theory, but what I know of paintings and photography is that balance in a composition like this is very important:
- the front of the plane, and the tower, are on 2 sides of an imaginary line through the middle.
- The wings seem to be about 2/3rd down on the vertical axis.
- there is a general "line" from top left to bottom right (tail-cockpit-tower-engine)
- all of these elements lead to an aesthetically very pleasing view

I'm not saying that this is a recipe for success, and I'm not saying that anything different would not be nice, but if you're asking about why this picture would be considered a great shot by many viewers, this is why I think it is. It's very much a psychological thing - people like symmetry, and people also like images that seem to follow rules like the above (and of course, it's probably far more complex than that).

Of course if you don't have the chance of composing such a nice picture, but instead you end up with a side-on, blue-sky background picture of a plane, the "motive" is less aesthetically pleasing. Logical, because a plane, viewed from the side, is not a nice geometrical figure. In which case, naturally, rules are going to be applied when you arbitrarily cut off parts like wings/tails/gears/etc.

Hope this makes a little sense...
 
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RE: Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:22 pm

Quoting LIPH (Thread starter):
- Engines : is it necessary that *both* engines are always displayed (especially in front shots) ? If not, at which conditions ?

I was abit hesitant with the motive of front on shot with one engine display and crop and i tried one shot and got it accepted.

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RE: Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:03 pm

Quoting Edoca (Reply 7):
I'm not a specialist of Golden Ratio / Esthetics theory, but what I know of paintings and photography is that balance in a composition like this is very important:
- the front of the plane, and the tower, are on 2 sides of an imaginary line through the middle.
- The wings seem to be about 2/3rd down on the vertical axis.
- there is a general "line" from top left to bottom right (tail-cockpit-tower-engine)
- all of these elements lead to an aesthetically very pleasing view

Pretty much sums it up....
Portero, hope you don't mind me using your pic for this example...
Big version: Width: 800 Height: 522 File size: 86kb

Major areas of interest are on or close to the 1/3 lines...
read up on "rule of thirds" amazing what may come of it..
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RE: Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:38 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 9):
rule of thirds

Sorry Chris,
but in this way don't you move your point of interest away from the center ? This can lead to a "bad center" rejection...  Confused

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RE: Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:07 pm

Y

Quoting LIPH (Reply 10):
but in this way don't you move your point of interest away from the center ? This can lead to a "bad center" rejection...

A/ Yes, you do move the points of interest away from centre
B/ Yes, you might get a "bad center" rejection

Having said that, you seemed to be looking for a reason why you were attracted to this photo, I was pointing out why it was more aesthetically balanced than many you see here.
Aesthetically pleasing images and photographs that meet Airliners "database" oriented critera are not always the same thing.

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RE: Gears, Tails, Engines & Co.

Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:35 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 11):
Aesthetically pleasing images and photographs that meet Airliners "database" oriented critera are not always the same thing.

It should be  Wink
anyway it makes sense, thanks.

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