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2nd Edit Opinions

Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:31 am

Hi All,
I had this shot rejected for Quality and Soft.
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...231_ScandinavianAirlinesOY-KBD.jpg
What do you think about this new edit.


Thanks for your time and comments!

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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:23 pm

I think it's nice.. then again, I'm an FNG. Big grin
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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:22 pm

Quoting LOCsta (Thread starter):
What do you think about this new edit.

I think it's destined for the same rejections. You can tell it's been cropped heavily.
 
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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:34 pm

Sharpness is ok now on the new edit; I'd have a play still with the levels to make it come out a little brighter. After that it should stand a good chance as it's a very nice motive shot in nice lighting conditions.

Good luck!

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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:39 pm

I'm still not sure if the quality is there, I've had similar shots rejected on similar grounds... I'd keep it for the personal collection...
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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:12 pm

I see a lot of grain in the shadowed areas.
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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:23 pm

Wow,
a realy lovely shot.
I personally see there a dark issue to be solved (probably given by the high contrast) and a general blurry aspect of the pic. But nonetheless it remains a great shot...

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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:48 pm

Hi Kevin,

If this was already rejected because of quality issues (I include dark), then why trying again at 1200 pixels? Sizing down to 1024 will help you with the grain (less visible). Also watch out the contrast, in my eyes your edit has too much of it, which also adds a feeling of slightly oversharpened to it.
I think the pic has the potential to make it, I would just start again at smaller size, a little less contrast, play just a little with curves to increase slightly brightness and very carefully sharpen.
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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:59 am

thanks alot for the comments guys!
I try and edit my pics to the final size of 1200px, but I usually resize to 1024 for uploading. I began to wonder if I was losing quality in the final resize of a finished jpeg from 1200>1024, but I have not been able to tell for certain. Can anyone confirm that they also do this or am I losing a noticable amount of quality with this resize?
So it sounds like the consensus is that the shot is dark, but it was taken with the sun 1/2 behind the horizon. Is it not normal to have some areas that are very dark in this situation? Or do you mean the entire pic is dark?

Thanks again!

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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:18 am

Quoting LOCsta (Reply 8):
Or do you mean the entire pic is dark?

 checkmark  I also shoot a lot during sunset, and this one is too dark (as presented), which does not mean it cannot be improved...
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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:19 am

Quoting LOCsta (Reply 8):
began to wonder if I was losing quality in the final resize of a finished jpeg from 1200>1024

Not if you have a good and up-to-date post-processing software!

Quoting LOCsta (Reply 8):
So it sounds like the consensus is that the shot is dark, but it was taken with the sun 1/2 behind the horizon. Is it not normal to have some areas that are very dark in this situation? Or do you mean the entire pic is dark?

Of course with such environment lighting the picture will be darker then in bright daylight but take a look here:
http://planecatcher.com/picture_libr...ry/airbusa340313xscandinav2cb2.jpg
what you may still get out of the picture.
Note that mine was just a quick re-lighting edit and no care was taken to improve anything else (like grain).
Hope you'll stick with it and give it a try as I'm sure it deserves a place in A.net's db.

My edit: shadow/highlight adjustment, contrast/lighting improvement and a slight curve correction.

Thierry

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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 10):
no care was taken to improve anything else (like grain)

I had it lighter before, but thought the grain was more a problem than the darkness.
How would you handle the grain to make it acceptable?

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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:05 am

Quoting LOCsta (Reply 11):
How would you handle the grain to make it acceptable?

For that I'd have to take a look at the original to see what my options would be; if you want send me the original file and I'll have a go at it.

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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:05 am

Quoting LOCsta (Reply 8):
I try and edit my pics to the final size of 1200px, but I usually resize to 1024 for uploading

Hi Kevin, as Thierry already stated:

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 10):
Quoting LOCsta (Reply 8):
began to wonder if I was losing quality in the final resize of a finished jpeg from 1200>1024

Not if you have a good and up-to-date post-processing software!

The resizing itself will not degrade, but I assume - since you are talking about final size 1200px - that you save this as JPEG, then resize and save again as JPEG for uploading. If this is your process, then I can definitively say that you are losing quality (i.e. each time you save as JPEG, you loose a bit of quality).


I hope this helps!

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RE: 2nd Edit Opinions

Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:57 am

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 13):
that you save this as JPEG, then resize and save again as JPEG for uploading. If this is your process, then I can definitively say that you are losing quality (i.e. each time you save as JPEG, you loose a bit of quality).

Thanks for the reply Walter, This was what I was wondering about!
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