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What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:58 pm

OK I can't help but start a thread on this one. Absolutely incredible. I'm guessing it's a film shot, long exposure with one hell of a flash at the end. Either way - it's one of the best I've seen.


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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:04 pm

Quoting AndrewUber (Thread starter):
What An Amazing Shot

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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:17 pm

A very nice and excellent shot can someone tell me but the image why wont come out blurry because the plane is in motion!!
Thks for your help!
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:46 pm

He used a second curtain flash to get that result. It's a long exposure of maybe 10-30 seconds. The camera's shutter opens when the plane is still far away, letting it move towards the camera, leaving only the streaks of light visible. When the plane is above the camera and at the spot you can see it now, he fired off a very strong flash, just before the shutter closed. The flash illuminates the plane, letting it appear frozen at that spot, even if he used a long exposure. That's how you get that effect.

Cheers
Jan

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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:58 pm

Quoting Interpaul (Reply 3):
That's how you get that effect.

How would you do something like that though? Would it be using 'Bulb' mode (or equivalent)? How do you then trigger the flash at the end?

I love these shots and I would love to attempt one sometime...
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:59 pm

Very impressive indeed. One of the best I've seen of this type of shot.
 
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:12 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 4):
How would you do something like that though? Would it be using 'Bulb' mode (or equivalent)? How do you then trigger the flash at the end?

Some of the more advanced (D)SLR cameras will allow the user to choose between the more regularly used first curtain flash (where the flash fires as the shutter curtain moves up (i.e. opens), and second curtain, as explained by Jan. This allows dynamic creativity with photos at longer exposure for moving objects, so that they are pictured 'frozen' at the end of the blur - as here - or at the beginning of the blur - in first curtain usage.

I would assume that Martin chose a shutter speed, and selected second curtain in the functions of his camera, so the flash fired right at the end of the exposure just before the curtain drops (i.e. shutter closes).

I agree that it is a great photo - I shall wait to watch the viewing figures rise.

All the best.

Paul

P.S. I am guessing that it wasn't the built in flash that he used though  wink .

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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting Psych (Reply 6):
I would assume that Martin chose a shutter speed, and selected second curtain in the functions of his camera, so the flash fired right at the end of the exposure just before the curtain drops (i.e. shutter closes).

Ah I see. Now it begs the question on just how powerful is this flash?
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:25 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 7):
Now it begs the question on just how powerful is this flash?

A normal speedlite should be fine if done properly  Smile That's how Mr. Yagi did his famous one at least.


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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:30 pm

Quoting INNflight (Reply 8):
That's how Mr. Yagi did his famous one at least

Mr Yagi did a first curtain flash, rather than a second one, which is the only difference. Same principle, but the flash fires when the shutter opens rather than just before it closes.

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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:32 pm

Hmmm... ok. I am not sure that my camera will do the curtain flash thing though? Its only a Canon EOS400D so it only really has entry level functions.  Sad

Can anyone confirm this?
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 10):
only a Canon EOS400D

Custom function 9 allows you to choose.
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:44 pm

Quoting Vzlet (Reply 11):
Custom function 9 allows you to choose.

Very nice. Thanks for your help. When my camera comes back I'll be sure to give it a try!
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:41 pm

Martin uses a Nikon digital camera. I don't know which one because I'm a Canon man  Smile
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting AndrewUber (Thread starter):
Outstanding shot Martin!

I wonder what kind of powerful flash the photographer used for this shot ?
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:41 pm

Quoting Alphafloor (Reply 14):
I wonder what kind of powerful flash the photographer used for this shot ?

Why not send him a private message if you want to find out..  Smile
 
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:19 am

Thanks for nice comments. This thread is great surprise.

The setting was exactly as you mentioned. I used bulb mode, but found that even when the second curtain is selected, the flash fires twice- at the beginning of the exposure and also at the end. So I covered the flash by hand at the beginning not to disturb pilots, then kept the shutter-release button pressed and released it when the plane was above me. Camera fired second flash. Simple, isn't it?

It's better to use wide aperture and reasonable ISO, because amount of light reaching the plane decreases with square of the distance. Equipment used: Nikon D200, fisheye 10,5/f2,8, flash SB600 (not the Nikon's most powerful!!) and steady tripod. Setting f2,8; bulb (approx. 30s) and ISO 160. Not so difficult and worth trying.  Wink
 
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:48 am

Hi Piper ! Welcome to the forums. Thank you very much for your technical explanations and congrats for an excellent photograph !

Regards,
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:02 am

Quoting Piper (Reply 16):

Outstanding picture. Thanks for sharing it with us!
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:06 am

Definately one of the best. Congrats to the photographer Big grin
 
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:28 am

cheers for the settings description Martin. A truely outstanding shot!!!
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:28 am

I was speaking to Tony+M last year and he mentioned to me in a conversation
that Martin had acquired a 'fish-eye' lens...  scratchchin 

I couldn't figure where @ EDI he could use such a beast outside the
perimeter fence for aeroplane photography.

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Very well done young man!





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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:42 am

Hi Gerry,

I have used the fisheye lens mostly for cabin and cockpit shots, this session was the first when I used it at EDI.

Tony was taking photos 2m left to me and possibly has a photo of the same aircraft but from different perspective.

Martin

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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:58 am

I can't believe how well the flash lit the aircraft, how high do you estimate he was he when the flash went off at the end? Also how long till the cops showed up?  Smile Probably wouldn't happen to you there, but over here I'd be too nervous of getting busted to try. Absolutely fabulous shot though.
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:21 pm

Congrats for the photographer (Martin)its a very nice image!!And thks to those who explained how to do it too.....
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:45 pm

I'm usually very "greedy" in admitting great photos  Smile

But this one is simply more than just pressing on the shutter, unlike what I usually do.

Excellent work. Congrats!
 
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:01 pm

AvroArrow: Well, I would say the plane was about 20-30m above us, but take it as a very rough estimate, Gerry would be more accurate. The fisheye lens makes the proportions look very different. To the second point, we expected that Police would come to check us as this wasn't what photographers usually do at EDI, but they didn't show up.
 
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:14 pm

Unbeliebable...
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:13 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 27):
Unbeliebable...

Well it was an admiring post - he did say it would make great art at the entrance to a terminal after all (which I agree with).

When you're not a photographer, you would wonder about a shot like that.
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:56 pm

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 28):
Well it was an admiring post - he did say it would make great art at the entrance to a terminal after all (which I agree with).

No matter what he said, his thread was deleted.
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:05 am

What I would like to know is how did Martin focus on the aircraft? I've tried this before and have been repeatedly unsuccessful. I guess using the widest Depth Of Field is recommended, but not always possible. Would you use manual focus? If using AF, what object would be the focal point?

By the way, wonderful shot Martin!

Thanks!
Daniel

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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:06 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 28):

When you're not a photographer, you would wonder about a shot like that.

Even a photographer would wonder.
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RE: What An Amazing Shot

Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:55 am

Yes Daniel, I did use manual focus and focused on the dark in front of me.  Smile Nikkor 10,5mm fisheye gives amazingly wide depth of field- even on f 2,8. With other lenses you can set higher aperture number to get wide depth of field, but would need to compensate that with longer exposure time or higher ISO.

Martin

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