Alibo5NGN
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Vague Quality Rejection

Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:58 pm

This shot got kicked out at the secomd round of screening for quality. like many of you, I have no issues handling rejections, but I have issues with the vagueness of the reasons given. If I knew that this shot would not come close to meeting Anet standards, I would not bother to upload it. It would be nice to have more clarifications as to the problem which led to this rejection.

Your assistance in helping narrow down the problem would be appreciated so that I can make a determination as to whether this shot can be appealed, salvaged or repaired to the satisfaction of the screeners.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...dlvlN485WNSouthWestNoseFLLAnet.jpg

Thanks

IMHO it appears that rejections are moving from visible defects which can easily be detected by most to micro level defects which even my ridgid contact lens aided eyes cannot perceive. In another quality rejection discussion on this forum, no one could really pin point the quality problem so as to assist the guy who uploaded what I thought was a spectacular, difficult and lucky shot make an informed decision.

In this current environment, I genuinely congratulate Aneters who are able to maintain above 60% acceptance ratio. You guys are either maestros or have specialized in a narrow area.

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RE: Vague Quality Rejection

Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:02 pm

Hy Ken,
on my Acer 17" (AL 1715) your pic looks oversharpened and a bit grainy. I think this might be the reason for rejection. Nothing really unavoidable though. It can be probably saved by a good post-processing.

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RE: Vague Quality Rejection

Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:02 pm

I like the shot very much. Perhaps just a teeny bit of grain?
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RE: Vague Quality Rejection

Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:07 pm

I doubt you can fix it to upload. It's grainy, soft and too much colour. Also a wierd crop.

[Edited 2007-02-05 11:11:09]
 
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RE: Vague Quality Rejection

Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:08 pm

Specific reasons: dark, grainy, motive (strange crop with cut-off engine), soft. All put together gives you a quality rejection.
Photo looks like a tight crop and honestly due to the common nature of the plane I have serious doubts about its acceptability on A.net.

Also check this out for hints on further uploads: http://planecatcher.com/IGRR.htm

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RE: Vague Quality Rejection

Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:26 pm

Quoting Alibo5NGN (Thread starter):
IMHO it appears that rejections are moving from visible defects which can easily be detected by most to micro level defects which even my ridgid contact lens aided eyes cannot perceive.

?? It's grainy. It was a no brainer for a quality rejection. I would guess it would fail a third time for motive as well.
 
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RE: Vague Quality Rejection

Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:50 am

Thanks guys for your comments. Special thanks Thierry for the extremely useful info you provided. Hopefully I can start to upload interesting shots I took on my recent trip to Nigeria and Ghana.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 5):
?? It's grainy

JeffM, since you are an expert on grain, I would appreciate you're educating me on this issue. I took this shot at ISO 100 to minimize grain. I used levels to enhance the shot. Where did the grain come from and where did I go wrong?

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RE: Vague Quality Rejection

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting Alibo5NGN (Reply 6):
Where did the grain come from and where did I go wrong?

Ken,

Is this shot heavily cropped? From experience, the grain and the other quality concerns shown in your photo become apparent when you heavily crop an image. Grain can also be emphasised when you use the shaddow/hightlight tool.

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RE: Vague Quality Rejection

Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:47 am

Interestingly, the colours red and orange in the photo show the grain the most - seems to be a tendency in jpeg / RGB images. I've seen this a lot in my own shots - I tried a few frames of the Flybe 'mansion.com' logojet (red fuselage) recently and I noticed the same thing - they weren't in great light anyway, but this colour seemed to highlight the quality problems more than any other.


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RE: Vague Quality Rejection

Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:47 pm

Quoting Alibo5NGN (Reply 6):
I would appreciate you're educating me on this issue. I took this shot at ISO 100 to minimize grain.

I'm sure you would, but I'm not about to....there are photography websites that can do it easier.  Wink

ISO 100 doesn't mean you won't get grain, keep messing with Levels and it will only get worse.
 
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RE: Vague Quality Rejection

Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:17 pm

@Ken: From first glane look at the cockpit windows, the one on the right is oversharpened, the one on the left is soft.
IMHO the whole whoto was soft at first.

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