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I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:50 am

Is there anything that can be done to this?

It has seen soft, then oversharpen, then soft again, then oversharpen again, now its oversharpen, blurry, color, and quality.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...big/20070214_N218UAarr26DENx3x.jpg
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:55 am

it's a little blurry towards the tail. maybe you can post the original and someone can have a go at editiding?
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:58 am

Looks like it suffers from a low f/number.
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting Graphic (Thread starter):
It has seen soft, then oversharpen, then soft again, then oversharpen again, now its oversharpen, blurry, color, and quality.

Did you restart from scratch after the rejection or did you re-edit the previous version? In the latter case, it would be normal because everytime you save as JPEG, you loose quality. On my monitor (not the best) the titles seem over-sharpened and the registration area seems blurry. I like the shot though, with it low evening sun!

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:36 am

I will say this though, I really do appreciate the screeners reply in the e-mail.

If anyone wants a crack, here's the orig:
http://www.airliners.net/uf/536921701/1171478120gSvUvs.jpg
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:40 am

Hi Eric,

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 2):
Looks like it suffers from a low f/number.

I have had the same problem, where due to high aperture (low f) part of the airplane was sharp in focus and part slightly out of focus. You can try by careful (and long) use of layers, sharpening the rear part more, but I doubt it will leave the picture 'perfect'. You have to decide whether it is worth the effort.
And even if you get the sharpening part, that's not going to improve the light one that leads to all your other problems (quality, color).
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:14 am

Here's my attempt. The back of the aircraft is very blurry, as stated above. I attempted an edit anyway, so here it is.

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With the amount of sharpening I had to add to make the rear of the aircraft acceptable, the image became quite grainy. I'm afraid this one cannot be salvaged, which is a shame as I love the livery, the aircraft, and the lighting.

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:24 am

This is about the best I can do. The rear of the aircraft is a little blurry and the overall image is soft, maybe through a little motion blur / camera shake since the shot was taken at 281mm with a shutter of only 1/320th. This is my attempt anyway:

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 683 File size: 442kb


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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:47 am

Wow. I didn't realize how screwed up the colors on my edit were until I saw Dazbo's. Haha.

Ignore mine, then.

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:49 am

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 6):
Here's my attempt

Ouch! Autolevels I presume? And a truckload of shadow/highlight. Brr....

Had a go myself...
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It's on the soft-side, but I prefer that over jaggies.

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:52 am

The following one is my version.

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:16 am

My Try...

Quite similar to Ed´s approach, but i worked a bit more on the colour of the sky.

To me, it looks a bit more harmonic this way.



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Test Edit


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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:25 am

Quoting IL76 (Reply 9):
Ouch! Autolevels I presume? And a truckload of shadow/highlight. Brr....

So it would seem, haha. I apparently went quite wrong. It's a miracle the ones I asked advice on didn't look this bad, if this is what my eye told me to do with this one!

Ed and Darren, I like your edits very much. Graphic, unfortunately none of these seem to be able to save the blurry tail, but if you really want to try and upload this one, go with either Ed's or Darren's. Ed is a screener, after all, so his eye may be best in this case.

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:26 am

Bring back Bethune!
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 2):

Hi
Ive had the same rejections for soft,then quality/blurry on the re-upload.The problem has been using low F numbers which doesnt help with certain angles of the aircraft.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:43 am

Well, Eric shot it at f/9, which is pretty good considering the light...

Could have been a focus issue, if a left side AF sensor locked on it would cause softness middle-right.

Eric, clean you sensor dood!
 
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:44 am

 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:45 am

Yep clean that sensor Eric and check your mail !

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:39 am

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 7):
This is about the best I can do. The rear of the aircraft is a little blurry and the overall image is soft, maybe through a little motion blur / camera shake since the shot was taken at 281mm with a shutter of only 1/320th. This is my attempt anyway:

Out of interest, how do you find the EXIF data for this?
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:44 am

Don't think motion blur would be a problem (from camera shake), Eric is using a Sigma 80-400 OS if I remember correctly.

You can view the EXIF data using any program that displays such info, I used Nikon View 6, but lots of programs do it.
 
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:34 am

Thanks for the edits guys!

@ Jidd: Got the e-mail, thanks!

@ Ed: That's a nice edit, is there any way to get that bright orange pop back that was the prevailing light at the time? It was a very hazy/smoggy evening and the sun was literally seconds above the mountains at that time.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 19):
Don't think motion blur would be a problem (from camera shake), Eric is using a Sigma 80-400 OS if I remember correctly.

Yeah but there's no amount of O.S. that could have compensated for me not being able to feel my fingers at that point  cold 

Thanks again for all the help, it's much appreciated!

P.S. The sensor shall be cleaned in short order  Wink
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:18 pm

My Version:

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:45 pm

I had a go too...

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2114/117148394758bpuiax7.jpg

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:53 pm

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...1701&filename=1171518643xihftK.jpg

Better? Worse? Thoughts? I like it because it accurately shows the orange pop coming from the low sun shining through the Brown Cloud, and I used a different sharpening technique that I think helped me sharpen the rear section much better, while keeping the rest of the aircraft from becoming oversharpened.

Hows this one?
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:17 pm

Quoting Graphic (Reply 20):
@ Ed: That's a nice edit, is there any way to get that bright orange pop back that was the prevailing light at the time? It was a very hazy/smoggy evening and the sun was literally seconds above the mountains at that time.

Well, I didn't do anything to the colours. I just moved the 'white' slider in the levels histogram closer to the left (I think it was +/- 210). If you want more orange, you'll have to play a bit more with the levels of the R, G or B.
Although not shockingly disturbing, I forgot to reduce the jaggies on the leading edge of the wing though.  Smile

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:36 pm

What a good thread to show the many different takes each individual has on a picture. Just goes to show how difficult a screeners job is. Keep up the good work boys and girls! Big grin

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:35 pm

Eric,

you´re last try isn´t bad. But i´d consider to upload it at 1024x XXX. There also is a bit of noise on the engine Cowling and the surrounding area.

The sky has a slight green cast to me, i got rid of that in my edit (reply 11) with selective colour correction. I may have overdone it just a little bit, but it looks more harmonic, regarding the orange light conditions on the 777 front.

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 7:04 pm

Here's my go.

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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:18 pm

Since everyone is playing with the shot,me too.
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RE: I Give Up

Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:25 pm

Hey I also couldn't resist!

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RE: I Give Up

Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:29 am

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...1701&filename=1171560439y973HN.jpg

@Denis: Got rid of some of the noise and some of the green and resized it to 1024, this is all re-working from the original.

@Everyone else: Thanks and Keep 'em coming!
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RE: I Give Up

Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:59 pm

Now that we had quite some fun with the photo, can the screeners point us if any of the edits would be accepted?
 
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RE: I Give Up

Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:30 pm

Eric,

i´d say, try your last edit. it looks quite good to me.

Also leave a note to the screeners about what you have done.

cheers,

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RE: I Give Up

Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:57 am

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/qbdive.jpg

Thanks for all the advice and edits guys! Lets see how she shapes up eh?
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RE: I Give Up

Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:52 am

Well that's it, I'm done tryin with this pic.
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