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New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Enough?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:51 am

Hey guys, figured I'd ask if I got it right on this one.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/n101hq.jpg

It's the first ERJ-175 for Republic (USAirExpress) and I was wondering if it had the quality for the DB. It was taken about an hour before sundown and I think the warm light gives it a nice touch but a screener might disagree.
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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Enough?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:02 am

Too sharp, and too grainy. Even if you bring down the sharpening, this one may get a quality rejection. Did you sharpen the sky? It looks like you may have.

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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Eno

Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:14 am

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 1):
Too sharp, and too grainy. Even if you bring down the sharpening, this one may get a quality rejection. Did you sharpen the sky? It looks like you may have.

I did not in fact. I only did one pass of USM on the fuselage, 50% at 1.2 and I also transparent masked off the cheatlines and the USAir logo. I did not use any noise reduction on the sky. JPEG might be a factor here, I saved at the highest quality but even then it sometimes brings out otherwise hidden sky grain, comparing my TIFF file to the resultant JPEG at 500%. I may have to do some extra noise reduction on the sky to keep that from happening (I usually do very little since I shoot at ISO 100 or 200).

I use a tube monitor (LaCie Electronblue IV), so my "conservative" (at least, I thought it was!) sharpening probably might be too much for an LCD screen. I backed off of the sharpen layer a bit and did some noise reduction on the sky, here's the result.

http://homepage.mac.com/kefkafloyd/.Pictures/n101hq_2.jpg

Thanks for the look Antonis.

[Edited 2007-03-15 19:15:36]

[Edited 2007-03-15 19:18:29]
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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Enough?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:57 am

Sky looks fine here, but the plane is way oversharpened, especially - but not limited to - registration, tail logo and the transition from shadow to sunlight under the wing... major jaggies.
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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Enough?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:13 am

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 681 File size: 318kb

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I reprocessed the image from scratch. I backed off sharpening almost completely and did some light spot softens, but the image is bordering on soft to me now on my LaCie. I'm looking at it on my laptop and I can kind of see where rev2 could be oversharp but if this is the line to tread it's pretty baffling. I do PS for a living for print and these lower resolution (by comparison) web files have a much smaller margin for error, apparently, especially across monitors.

Maybe a 1280 wide resolution would help? It seemed to make a difference for this shot in the DB of the same aircraft (but it had a test reg at the time) which I was using as a comparison target for sharpness on the color scheme.

Again, thanks for the input. It's much appreciated.
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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Enough?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:23 am

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 2):
I only did one pass of USM on the fuselage, 50% at 1.2

I suggest trying .2 or .3.
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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Enough?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:51 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 5):
I suggest trying .2 or .3.

Yup, 1.2 is way too much.

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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Enough?

Fri Mar 16, 2007 11:17 pm

Quoting FlyingZacko (Reply 6):

Yup, 1.2 is way too much.

That's the amount I was using on the high-res image which I then downsampled to upload. 1.2 on a 300DPI 7x6 isn't all that much. I sharpen and then downsample, perhaps I should do it the other way round? Saving downsamples for last is generally the way we do in prepress. I did that with the latest one and only used a tiny amount of USM. Maybe that's the way I'll go now. Thanks for the help.
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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Eno

Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:01 pm

Hey guys, I wanted to say thanks for the help. It did get in. Big grin

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1191427/M
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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Eno

Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 7):
I sharpen and then downsample, perhaps I should do it the other way round?

Sharpening should be done after resizing the image, usually as a last step of post-processing.
Congrats on getting the pic in man.

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[Edited 2007-03-24 16:32:45]
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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Enough?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:39 am

The link does not show the photo.
 
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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Enough?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:51 am

Quoting Aviator1990 (Reply 10):
The link does not show the photo

Yes it does.

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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Eno

Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:35 am

Sure you guys are clicking the right link? The photos earlier in the thread have since been deleted.

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 8):
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1191427/M

That's the one you should be looking for. If that's not working, then I don't know what to say.

[Edited 2007-03-26 02:35:35]
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RE: New Plane For An Airline... This Shot Good Enough?

Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:50 am

And the proper way of linking photos...

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