jajo
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Motive Question

Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:40 am

Hi!

Would appreciate some comments on this shot, is it something for the database?

Big version: Width: 1156 Height: 786 File size: 424kb


Thanks for your time!

/ Jacob
 
Lanas
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RE: Motive Question

Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:52 am

Hi Jacob

Nice shot.  Wink I believe there are a couple of things first:
- I would have put the aircraft a little lower in the frame. There´s too much space in the bottom and little on the top.
- The left wing seems to be a little hazy, can it be? Maybe I´m getting confused with jagged edges. The aircraft is a little soft, too.
- The flap sections seem a little too bluish aren´t they? I don´t know if it´s a normal colour cast on sunset shots or if it´s something that deserves an edit.
As for the motive I don´t know. Either you leave all the a/c in the frame, or you crop tighter on the fuselage and engines. If you cut the wingtips out, I believe you should crop tighter (or shoot tighter) on the 'body' of the airplane.
Hope it helps. Good luck!

Cheers!  Smile
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RE: Motive Question

Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:16 am

Thanks Lanas!

I will consider your recommendations and try an upload!

/ Jacob
 
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RE: Motive Question

Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:44 am

Qualitywise the photo is ok, however there are 2 things to consider:

1. if anything you'll have to put the aircraft higher in the frame as the vertical stabilizer isn't put into the equation when correctly centering an aircraft here at A.net; what counts is the fuselage and that clearly tells you to put the plane higher in the frame.

2. motive: as Lanas already said it looks a little weird right now; either crop closer to the fuselage or include the entire wingspan. Otherwise I'm not too convinced the shot will make it. Personally I don't like the bright sky combined with the pretty dark plane, but that's just my subjective opinion.

Good luck with it!

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RE: Motive Question

Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 3):
1. if anything you'll have to put the aircraft higher in the frame as the vertical stabilizer isn't put into the equation when correctly centering an aircraft here at A.net;

Thierry,with due respect, but that is not true, of certainly not the whole truth. I always consider the fin*, and I get very few centering rejections.
Of course the fin is not as prominent as the fuselage, certainly at an angle like this, and that means its impact on centering is not huge, but there should be some.

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RE: Motive Question

Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:08 am

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 4):
I always consider the fin*, and I get very few centering rejections.

So did I and since it worked pretty well I never questionned my methods until one day the following thread came along: Come On Headscreeners...! (by ThierryD Jan 14 2007 in Aviation Photography)

Since then I centered my pictures in regards of the fuselage and am pretty fine ever since.

The A.net guide sadly doesn't say anything conclusive neither: Generally speaking the empty space on each side of the aircraft (both horizontally and vertically) should be equal. as it doesn't tell us which part of the aircraft is meant.

Guess that's another point we'll have to clarify.

That said, I still think that Jacob's shot has to be higher in the frame!

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RE: Motive Question

Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:40 pm

I don´t know Thierry, I agree with Peter here. The fin isn´t an element to discard at all. I guess the centering has to take the fin into account, not to measure distances strictly from the top of the fin, but to find some balance between the top of the fin and the top of the fuselage.

Quoting ThierryD (Reply 5):
I centered my pictures in regards of the fuselage and am pretty fine ever since.



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 4):
I always consider the fin*, and I get very few centering rejections.

I center my pics by cropping the image with the center between the windows and the top of the fuselage. This has always worked for me and gives a nice balance to the picture, IMO.

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