DavidG28
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Opinions On This One?

Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:55 pm

Not sure if it will make the database, but I like it.


Big version: Width: 1200 Height: 817 File size: 183kb
 
EK20
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RE: Opinions On This One?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:02 am

Over-sharpened.
 
boeingfreak
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RE: Opinions On This One?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:06 am

Hi,
nice picture, but it is quite jagged (NWA titles, main gear tires, wing and registration) and there are also some slight green and purple halos around the nosegear. Seems like the original picture was a bit blurred or out of focus and you tried to compensate it with too much sharpening.
Sorry but I don't think it will make it, nice picture for your personal collection thought... NW DC9s are getting rare!
Cheers,
Florian
 
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RE: Opinions On This One?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:19 am

Hi David

As said earlier in the thread, your picture is oversharpened. Look around and you´ll find a lot of jaggies and also some grain in the belly of the fuselage. I´d like to add that I think that the whole image has a green colour cast, not only the landing gear are, IMO.
Hope it helps.  Smile

Cheers!
Lanas.-
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DavidG28
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RE: Opinions On This One?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:32 am

Thanks for the comments. I'm not really sure what to do. Most of my rejections have been because of softness. I use smart sharpen in photoshop, so is that maybe the problem? I know a lot of folks on here use unsharp mask, but I don't have a great handle on it yet. As far as the green tone, this is the second time somone has noticed a funny shade of color to my photographs. Does it look like my white balance or exposure is off? I set my camera to daylight for the white balance, but I do use noise removal in photoshop, and I think there's a color noise slider in there, so maybe that's causing it?
 
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RE: Opinions On This One?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting DavidG28 (Reply 4):
I'm not really sure what to do.

What are the paramiters set to in camera? Is the sharpness at zero?
 
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RE: Opinions On This One?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:42 am

Well, I shoot using the "sharper" function (Nikon D50). I'm not sure what value the camera places the sharpness on that setting, but obviously too much.
 
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RE: Opinions On This One?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:48 am

Quoting DavidG28 (Reply 4):
I use smart sharpen in photoshop, so is that maybe the problem?

No, I use smart sharpen in my general photography and it works fine. Just be sure your radius is set to the right value - most people I know use values around 0.3, and you wouldn't really want to go any higher than 0.9. The problem in your picture is that, as far as I can tell, you've sharpened everything. Certain things on the plane need to be sharpened more or less than others, and the sky doesn't need to be sharpened at all (and if sharpened will exacerbate any noise issues). Look up a good tutorial on the Layer Mask function in Photoshop; that will allow you to selectively sharpen so that everything is as it should be.

Quoting DavidG28 (Reply 4):
but I do use noise removal in photoshop

Is it the built-in tool? That's not very good. I'd recommend either buying one of the professional plugins like Noise Ninja or just using all the tactics you know for maximizing the light to the sensor, allowing you to use a lower ISO.

Quoting DavidG28 (Reply 6):
Well, I shoot using the "sharper" function (Nikon D50)

I wouldn't recommend any in-camera sharpening. You can always sharpen as much as you like in Photoshop, but it's not going to do you much good if the camera has ruined its own original.
Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
 
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RE: Opinions On This One?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting DavidG28 (Reply 6):
I shoot using the "sharper" function

Don't. You should have all paramiters set to zero. Turn the sharpening off. Any editing whatsoever should be left for the PC. That should improve your photo's.  Smile
 
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RE: Opinions On This One?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:07 am

Thanks for the excellent tips, I will have to work on it tonight. I use the built in noise removal tool in photoshop, but I have had my eyes on noise ninja. The D50 only goes down to ISO 200, so I'm stuck there. My biggest mistake obviously was the in-camera sharpening, and also the value I use in smart sharpen (and yes, I sharpened everything). I won't go into detail on that just so I don't look like a fool  Smile . I'm still a little confused about the odd tones in my exposure. I use either spot or center weight metering, depending upon the amount of light in the subject. I've tried matrix, but that just blew the colors way out. Like I said before, white balance is always set to sunlight when I'm shooting on a sunny day. The only other explanation I can think of is from where I was using the in camera sharpening, and it cut down on color saturation, etc.
 
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RE: Opinions On This One?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:20 am

Also, do you make your adjustments before or after you resize the image?
 
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RE: Opinions On This One?

Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:29 am

Quoting DavidG28 (Reply 10):
do you make your adjustments before or after you resize the image?

Here's what I do:

1/ Upload image to Photoshop.
2/ Image to fit screen.
3/ Level image.
4/ Crop image.
5/ Resize to 1024 pixels wide.
6/ Check brightness/contrast levels.
7/ Sharpen image.

If your pic is good enough under all the right conditions you should really never have to do much more than that. All this business with layers and neat image stuff is just over the top IMO. A really good photo doesn't need all that........and that's down to you, the photographer, that's where the real skill is.  Wink

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