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Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:14 am

Why is it that all my mediocre, average shots are getting accepted with no problems, but the shots I want in the most, the ones that I'm most creative with, my most interesting, and I think the best representation of my work and skill as a photographer are getting bounced? On top of that, I haven't sold a photo in almost a year, every month or so an offer comes in for a commercial vendor wanting my photos, and instantly when I tell them that I charge for photo usage, I never hear from them again.

What the hell am I doing wrong?

Edit: Besides the obvious being a jackass in the forums...what am I doing wrong?

[Edited 2007-04-24 20:18:53]
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting Graphic (Thread starter):
the shots I want in the most, the ones that I'm most creative with, my most interesting, and I think the best representation of my work and skill as a photographer

It's hard to comment without seeing the photos that were rejected, post them and you'll get advice.
A.net's rules definitely limit creativity, I experienced it myself with my latest nightshots that were rejected for motive because the lights of the towtruck were "ruining" the picture. It's always disappointing to get photos rejected but the most important thing is that you had fun taking them.
Just my opinion!

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting Graphic (Thread starter):
what am I doing wrong?

You are taking this too seriously. Relax, shoot what you like, upload what you like, take what you get and don't sweat it. It is so much easier this way.
 
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting Graphic (Thread starter):
Why is it that all my mediocre, average shots are getting accepted with no problems, but the shots I want in the most, the ones that I'm most creative with, my most interesting, and I think the best representation of my work and skill as a photographer are getting bounced?

Because as most of us know a.net has a very different view of what is interesting and creative than many uploaders are having. You can accept it or move to other sites covering a broader view of aviation photography (there are some around) or make your own.

Quoting Graphic (Thread starter):
On top of that, I haven't sold a photo in almost a year, every month or so an offer comes in for a commercial vendor wanting my photos, and instantly when I tell them that I charge for photo usage, I never hear from them again.

Don't ask immediately for money (that's at least what i understood what you are doing when you wrote "charge for photo usage". ) The good old excahnge goods (access) for goods (photos) still works.
Don't do the photography for selling photographs, do it for fun. And yes I am part of a business with the target of selling photographs but I am still doing it because it's fun to stay around on the airport with friends and do the socialising thing.
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:39 am

Quoting Graphic (Thread starter):
I haven't sold a photo in almost a year, every month or so an offer comes in for a commercial vendor wanting my photos, and instantly when I tell them that I charge for photo usage, I never hear from them again.

Guess that's what a lot of people here (including myself, only one single sale via anet in 2007). It's just a matter of what customers got used to...lots of people giving away photos for the sake of publishment, free of charge.
I wouldn't pay big bucks either if there's a chance to get a similar product for free...talking about the average shots that are in the database over and over again at least.

See what Peter says, that's absolutely true!

Glad there are other ways of selling, and actually making money.
Take it easy,

Florian

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:51 am

Quoting Graphic (Thread starter):
Why is it that all my mediocre, average shots are getting accepted with no problems, but the shots I want in the most, the ones that I'm most creative with, my most interesting, and I think the best representation of my work and skill as a photographer are getting bounced?

Question is, do you take them for yourself or for a.net? I got loads of photo's I love that would not be accepted here.
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:55 am

Thanks for the responses, guys, good to see I'm not the only one who feels this way sometimes.

Quoting JeffM (Reply 2):
Relax, shoot what you like, upload what you like, take what you get and don't sweat it. It is so much easier this way.

Thats a good way to look at it, but I'm trying to build a reputation as someone who shoots outside the box, and when my shots outside the box get axed, its very hard to build that reputation.

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 3):

Don't ask immediately for money (that's at least what i understood what you are doing when you wrote "charge for photo usage". ) The good old excahnge goods (access) for goods (photos) still works.

Thanks for the advice peter, maybe next time I'll try that.

Now, I'd post the full resolution for the shot I'm most dissappointed about, but since the only place its on is brand X (appealed and rejected here), I'll have to post this resized down version instead:  Wink

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:14 am

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
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Haha, a good one, Eric.  Silly
 
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Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:15 am

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 
My thoughts EXACTLY!
It's not about aviation or photography art here! It's about mediocrity with some "ahh" shots.

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Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:59 am

Eric, the shots you had rejected were all easy motiv rejections, along with some blurry + oversharp rejections.

You know the type of shots we accept here, so why complain?

If you went to a sushi house and tried to order a plate of spaghetti, what would you expect?

You set yourself up for failure. Just because those are the type of shots you want (funky crops of a Bonanza?) doesn't mean thats what the masses want to see.

If you want a website to showcase your work, build one. That is not the purpose of Airliners.net. If there is a huge market for "artistic" shots of General Aviation planes then people will seek out, and find, your website.
 
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:28 am

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
the shot I'm most dissappointed about

Eric, if a picture gets rejected at a.net it doesn't automatically mean that it is a bad picture. Your picture isn't bad, it just doesn't fit into a.net's strict motive criteras. Don't take it too serious, we all get rejections we sometimes don't agree with. The picture is online (not at a.net) but at jp, it is visible for all aviation fans over the world and also for possible "customers", so lean back and relax!  Wink

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:02 am

Florian makes a very valid point in that an image is not bad because it gets rejected. We are pretty formulaeic here, as are other sites - we just have slightly different formulae ! Take them for yourself and any accepted here or elsewhere are a bonus.
However, different is not always good either, a very common mistake particularly with newcomers to the hobby of photography.
Your Cherokee is different but I would have rejected it for motive as it is neither one thing or the other, in my opinion of course, an opinion that only counts for anything here.

As to photo sales, I have not had any for weeks and I can never predict what will sell and what won't. I actually sell more of GA than airliners as less people take them !
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:38 am

Quoting Graphic (Thread starter):
On top of that, I haven't sold a photo in almost a year, every month or so an offer comes in for a commercial vendor wanting my photos, and instantly when I tell them that I charge for photo usage, I never hear from them again.

As mentioned above, too many wannabe's are giving it away free for anyone but serious pro's to make any money at this.

Quoting Graphic (Thread starter):
What the hell am I doing wrong?

The only thing you're guilty of is submitting one type of content to a different type of website.

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
Thats a good way to look at it, but I'm trying to build a reputation as someone who shoots outside the box, and when my shots outside the box get axed, its very hard to build that reputation.

I think Mick used the best word, "formulaeic." Set up your own website (it's cheap and fairly easy) and, as people get to know your work, point them there for the funky stuff.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 9):
If you went to a sushi house and tried to order a plate of spaghetti, what would you expect?

Good analogy!!!
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 12):
As mentioned above, too many wannabe's are giving it away free for anyone but serious pro's to make any money at this.

Overstatement of the century! I just cashed a $2000 check and I am not even close to a pro. The photo was taken with my 300D and 70-200f/4L. As Mic said, sales come and go, just depending on luck. As for sales I always ask first if they are will to pay or trade other goods. For the most part I have gotten a positive response. Good luck in the future. I try to shoot just for fun and any money I make is just that much bigger of a bonus.
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Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 13):
Overstatement of the century! I just cashed a $2000 check and I am not even close to a pro.

 cheeky 

I think your sum is a gross exaggeration... Nobody in their right mind would pay $2000 for a photo!!!!! I dont believe you.  duck 
 
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Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:11 am

Since you all mention the my-own-website mantra, I guess I should mention that I'm way ahead of you, the domains been registered for about a year, but the staff has been quite a bit busy so not much has been done. What I want to know is, why do we have to go to such great lengths to do something that should be a no-brainer? Out-of-the-box photos are the ones people want to see, and by and large the ones that people want to shoot as well, so why must we feel so limited?
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Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:34 am

Out-of-the-box photos are the ones people want to see, and by and large the ones that people want to shoot as well, so why must we feel so limited?

Says who? You?

More people click on side on, run of the mill commercial airliners than do general aviation shots that are "artistic."

Don't confuse what YOU want to see with what others want to see. You might get a few people agreeing with you on these forums but the numbers don't lie. A sunny side on AA 757 in SEA is going to do more business than a close up of a Piper door in Glisstening Tip, North Dakota.

It isn't personal, it is fact.

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:54 am

Quoting Boeingfreak (Reply 1):
It's always disappointing to get photos rejected but the most important thing is that you had fun taking them.

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Yesterday I received an e-mail from a spotter whom I had briefly met at Leeuwarden last year (during the arrival days of the Blue Angels). While not going into too much detail, he mentioned that he had lost all his shots from that day...so I offered him to choose some of my shots (they must have been nearly identical, since we stood next to each other). For me, to help out another aviation enthusiast with a couple of pictures is more rewarding than a couple of hundred hits on an accepted shot in the database... Just my thoughts...

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:18 am

The main problem here, is the attempt to get "creative shots" accepted. We all know its harder to get them accepted. Try every now and then with creative shots. Sometimes they work, other times they don't.

Simple.

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 11):
As to photo sales, I have not had any for weeks and I can never predict what will sell and what won't. I actually sell more of GA than airliners as less people take them !

Same for me. Majority of my shots are GA aircraft. They are easier to take, and not only more popular according to the responses I get, but sell so much easier! A lot of GA aircraft owners love to see their birds on the net. Hearing from them, in regards to the shot or them telling me some stories is worth more than a sale.

Then again, I see that as more of a reward than seeing my picture in some magazine. Either are nice though!

Quoting JeffM (Reply 2):
You are taking this too seriously. Relax, shoot what you like, upload what you like, take what you get and don't sweat it. It is so much easier this way.

Yep. Sooner you learn to deal with it like this, you'll be ok. Took me a while. Anything that I like, that gets killed here, its on my own site, or soon will be.
 
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:59 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 16):
Says who? You?

Me and about 100% of the photographers I've talked to in person. Go figure.
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:08 am

Hi all,

My personal feeling is that the site's acceptance rules in the motive/composition fields are not terribly restricting at all, partly because I often instinctively agree with them and partly, I'm afraid, because I've come to think according to the a.net book, especially for the standard fare shots. Not that I'm proud of that.

However, I do love to upload shots that I think are somewhat creative, sometimes breaking the rules, and my acceptance rate for them is actually quite good.
When a unusual composition is well motivated and somewhat, I believe the screeners are actually quite willing to accept it.

If these shots are rejected, I'm in many cases prepared to accept that they're actually no good, especially when giving them another look a couple of weeks later. Overestimating your own work is only human.

So when critizing motive rejections, I think it's best to start with other people's motive rejections as posted in this forum.
I see the odd picture that I feel should have been accepted, but in most cases I agree with the motive rejections, including the one you posted, Eric, I'm sorry.

If you generally agree with other people's motive rejections, perhaps your own arty shots are not so great. If you always disagree with the other guys' rejections, then maybe it's time to look for somewhere else for your shots.

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:01 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 16):
More people click on side on, run of the mill commercial airliners than do general aviation shots that are "artistic."

Don't confuse what YOU want to see with what others want to see. You might get a few people agreeing with you on these forums but the numbers don't lie. A sunny side on AA 757 in SEA is going to do more business than a close up of a Piper door in Glisstening Tip, North Dakota.

Interesting tho that the "Top rated", "Photographers Choice" or indeed the "Editors Choice" are rarely sunny side on AA 757 or BA 320's! Indeed the top of an given day are often not "A.net photos"

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:15 am

And how many of those top shots are "artistic" crops of a GA subject?

The shots you are referring to are dynamic. Mil jets on afterburners, dramatic sunsets, unusual sights, nighttime cockpit shots, stuff like that.

Theres a huge difference. If you can't see forest for the trees, well, I don't know what to say.

Perhaps if Eric cared to show the rejections we could all be on the same page for this discussion.

I have seen the shots, and I understand what Eric was trying to do, but they wouldn't be that popular and they don't fit the type of shots that this website caters to. There is nothing wrong with that, we cannot be all things to all people.

For the record, I am one of the biggest champions of pushing for less than perfect quality and or motiv shots to get accepted, especially if they are "big hitters." I scroll hundreds of shots every day, not including the 1,000 I screen every week. This team has an excellent handle on what is hot and what is not. We aren't dumb. We don't reject things for "no reason." And, if there is ever any doubt, it gets sent to Johan. After all, it is his website.
 
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:25 am

Royal,

My comments were based on the larger discussion of A.net and creative shots, rather than Erics current issue, I did not edit or change the quote as others have been crucified for that in the past.

If you still think I don't get it well fine,

Sure you few have a much better idea of what is right for Anet, but all discussion seems to boil down to an our way or the highway!

Cheers.

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Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:45 am

Well, I thought this thread was about Eric's rejected photos.

No one has said my way or the highway. We are trying to make a better experience for our customers (photographers). Recent changes would include more use of personal notes and the discontinuation of just using a quality rejection, as it is too ambiguous for the photographer. As much as some people want to blame the screening team for their woes, we do listen, and we do try to make adjustments. We know the queue is long. We lost our two biggest screeners. Mike (AirNikon) passed away and Colin (Kereu) retired, for health reasons. The Head Screeners have set "minimums." You either meet them or you don't. Bottom line is, we are not standing still, regardless of what certain people want to write and/or believe.

However, there is only so much room to give. There are certain types of photographs that will never be accepted here. If those are the types of shots you care to take, more power to you. Just don't get upset when we don't accept them.

Airliners.net is the best of the best. That is why people work so hard to get their photos accepted here. But, there are standards.
 
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Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:29 pm

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
the only place its on is brand X (appealed and rejected here), I'll have to post this resized down version instead:

That's a clever graphic... But if you've found a site that accepts those types of photos, why do you complain about this site not not accepting them? I'm all in favor of uploading to both Anet and "brand x". They have two different styles: you can't expect a very "brand x-ish" shot to be accepted here...

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Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:34 pm

For what it's worth I've had more positive experiences with my photos being screened in the past 6 months than in the entire year prior. Even so much as had emails about the shot after being screened, as well as personal comments during the screening.

When I go shooting I know when I'm shooting for A.net, and when I'm shooting for my personal collection. I enjoy sharing photos on A.net for the simple fact it's a great medium to share the hobby with others. There's nothing I enjoy more than seeing a new comment on a photo I took, or getting an email from someone across the world about the aircrafts history or their experiences with the same bird in past years. The only reason I'm a little bitter when a shot doesn't get accepted is that the A.net community can't enjoy the photo the same way I do.

There's no reason to conform your style of photography just for the sake of getting shots up here. Enjoy it for what it is. Shooting photos of beautiful aircraft and enjoying the moments... and maybe meeting some friends with a similar passion along the way. My favorite and most memorable shots I've taken are not up to A.net standards, but that makes no difference at the end of the day.

Maybe someone should start a airliners photoblog community.  Smile

End rant.  twocents 


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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:58 pm

I jes' don't get it.

What is the big frickin' hairy deal if you don't get a shot accepted here? Has the universe been re-oriented to rotate around airliners.net?

Eric - huge fan of your work. I have your website in my bookmarks (recently went mac, please don't hate me). But seriously, what difference does it make? You are definitely a great photographer, you don't need anet to verify that for you.

I will admit, I LOVE getting my stuff accepted here. Part of the reason I love it is that I feel like anet is a client of mine - I am trying to give them what they want. I have plenty of clients (in photography and my day job) I have wayyyy more trouble figuring out what they want versus anet. I also have clients that I have dumped because we could not work together. I am not going to change them and I can't give them what they want so why bother?

Bottom line (for me, and I totally respect that each of us has their own very personalized bottom line) is that anet is the best on the web for aircraft photography. I upload to Brand-X, sure, but not for the same reason I upload here.

Not sure why the heck I bothered to post this, but whatever. two weeks, on the big V headin' to Seattle for some airplanes, photos and booze. Isn't life grand?
 
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:20 pm

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 25):
But if you've found a site that accepts those types of photos, why do you complain about this site not not accepting them?

I think Prat summed it up nicely:

Quoting Prat (Reply 26):
for the simple fact it's a great medium to share the hobby with others.

I dunno, maybe I'm just getting stressed out about finals/housing situation/job situation and it vented here.
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:08 pm

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 13):
Overstatement of the century! I just cashed a $2000 check and I am not even close to a pro.

Congratulations. But just because you got one big check doesn't mean there's enough money in this gig to make a business of it, nor does it discount that fact that tons of weekend warrior photog's are giving their hard work away for free. That check wouldn't pay for my camera, let alone put any food on the table, so if it's a one-off it's not enough to run a business. You have my support though, I hope you're getting a couple of those checks per month!

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 13):
As Mic said, sales come and go, just depending on luck.

Can't run a business on blind luck.

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:57 pm

There's a cadre of photographers (rhymes with scarebeanspillages) that have done pretty much what you're talking about, Eric. There's nothing to stop you doing the same.

A.net is what it is, always has been. It's fun to upload here and meet people with similar interests, but it is just one ticket out of many possible options.

Just relax and enjoy yourself.


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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:42 pm

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 20):
When a unusual composition is well motivated and somewhat, I believe the screeners are actually quite willing to accept it.

That's quite spot on I believe, it's not that there are heavenly stunners rejected just for the sake of being a tad dark, blurry, out of center or whatever.

If an artistic shot is really worth it, the screeners do notice that, absolutely no doubt I think.

Quoting Sulman (Reply 30):
(rhymes with scarebeanspillages)

 rotfl  ...had to read this one trice James. Funny, but true. There are more actually, and I guess you're aware of that, at least four others come to my mind... Chad, Art, V1, or Jet A-1.

Take it easy Eric.
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Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:48 pm

In all reality, A.net shots are getting more boring lately...perhaps just because I've been here so long, but I never bother looking past the first page of the 24hrs. Kinda sad IMO. I was reading in a photography forum, and they mentioned A.net, saying that the people here are not photographers, but shooters. So, Eric, be happy that you are a great photographer and also bend to the rules as a shooter here.

Personally, I don't have talent with a camera. Personally, I like the creative shots. Personally, all the people I've talked to do too.

But who knows, perhaps everyone does like side on shots, or perhaps A.net rejects all the creative ones so we don't find out.

Lucas

EDIT: "all the creative ones"

[Edited 2007-04-25 12:49:49]
 
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:28 pm

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 32):
n all reality, A.net shots are getting more boring lately...perhaps just because I've been here so long

I think you've answered your own question. I'm not convinced a.net does get 'more boring' - this complaint arises every so often on the forum. I think the content simply becomes 'more familiar'.


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Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:46 pm

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But who knows, perhaps everyone does like side on shots

well, there are side-shots that are 1) difficult to take, and 2) beautiful  Smile
I do not think it is side-shots vs. creative. They can be a hell of difficult to capture and creative too!

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Halcyon
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting INNflight (Reply 34):

well, there are side-shots that are 1) difficult to take, and 2) beautiful Smile

Darn good point, and

Quoting Sulman (Reply 33):

too! I suppose that we all start wanting more creative shots after a bit, but if A.net does not fulfill, one can always go elsewhere.

I don't know what to think really. I like the shots that aren't perfect many times, the ones that have snow, different lighting, etc. And I suppose I should not complain, as these shots show up here from time to time. Personally, I rarely chime in when I see threads on "why xxxxx not allowed, example" because there is usually a photo posted along with it for me to enjoy.

I do wish that more creativity would be allowed, but then again, we are all humans and screening is being done by flawed people.

Anyway, as far as discussions go on here when this subject comes up, this one seems to have the most thought out replies. I'm glad that both the photographers (Who often get far to little credit I fear.) and the screeners (Primarily Royal.) are adapting well. However, as one of the people outside the "crowd" (I am not a photographer on here.), I thought that perhaps my somewhat convoluted view might have some value. Of course I don't represent what all viewers want, but I think that I do represent some.

Cheers y'all.

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:01 am

Quoting Graphic (Thread starter):
What the hell am I doing wrong?

In all honesty -- some people have given you the best advice so far.. Don't take this too seriously.

There's no doubt in any of our minds that this website is THE premier aviation photography website around.. but at the same time, focussing on Acceptance ratios, and hits on pictures *really* misses the whole point, and I found that while I was trying to live up to some illustrious hit count, and acceptance ratio, I actually started to hate my hobby..

Don't take it so seriously, upload what you want, try to sneak in a few artistic / different pictures, and see what happens.. the more that you focus on the joy of trying to create something unique to your OWN collection, versus trying to meet a set stringent acceptance guildline on A.net, you'll start to realize that there's more to photography than "getting a shot on a.net".

Took me a long time, but I'm there now..

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymo

Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
Thats a good way to look at it, but I'm trying to build a reputation as someone who shoots outside the box, and when my shots outside the box get axed, its very hard to build that reputation.

I tried doing this also. I was trying to shoot the rare stuff at SLC and upload them, with some difficulty. But then I see a frequent uploader throw up 26 nearly identical pictures of Southwest landing at SLC, taken from the same location, landing on the same runway. Really no talent shots. But hey, he was a friend of the site and I wasn't. So I stopped wasting my time.

I upload to deviantart.com. It is not a dedicated aviation site but folks on there appreciate quality shots. I also visit Fencecheck.com and there is always the other guys. Something with Jet...  Wink

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:24 am

But hey, he was a friend of the site and I wasn't.

What does this mean? Are you saying we gave someone better treatment becuase he is a "friend of the site?"

A quick check of the database does not shot "26 nearly identical pictures of Southwest landing at SLC" so I guess you have to make things up to try to make your point. I don't really know what that says about you as a person, but it can't be good.
 
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:10 pm

Am I still being too optimistic?

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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymo

Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:24 pm

Quoting Graphic (Reply 39):
Am I still being too optimistic?

I think so... The quality is definitely there in my opinion, but it looks backlit. Plus, the prop is cut off...

But the motive rejection seems certain to me...  Sad

-Mike
 
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RE: Sometimes I Wonder If It's Even Worth It Anymore

Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:28 pm

Quoting Graphic (Reply 39):
Am I still being too optimistic?

Does that fall into your catagory of 'artistic'? I find nothing artistic about it. It is the front half of a small aircraft and nothing about that photo stands out in my opinion. The clouds are nice, the plane is shiny but that's it.
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