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Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:29 am

I have poked around a bit and seen a few other post about lenses, most that talk about Canon, so I thought I would ask about Nikon lenses.

So I am a complete rookie who recently purchases a Nikon D40 that came with the simple 18-55mm kit lens. I am interested in getting another lense for shooting aircraft. I might do a bit of shooting around SEA as the softball fields I play in are on the northern arrival/departure path approximately #1.5 miles from the threshold. I am mainly interested in shooting at airshows like Seafair, SkyFest at Fairchild AFB, Edwards AFB airshow, etc. However I might do a bit of shooting around SEA as the softball fields I play in are on the north arrival/departure path approximately # miles from the threshold.

I could use advice on what would be good for shooting that kind of stuff. I was planning on getting a VR lens but don't know what focal length. I like the 18-200mm VR but am worried it might be somewhat short for some shots. The 70-300mm VR is another lens I am looking at but am worried about having to switch lenses for the closer shots.

Also I was wondering about teleconverters. The obvious benefit is increasing focal length by what ever factor (1.4x, 1.7x, 2.0x for the Nikon one) but I don't know of what any of the drawbacks are.

Any thought, ideas, opinions, would be helpful. Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:41 am

Every serious shooter should have a 70(80)/200 f/2.8. You can find a used Nikon 80-200 for 6 bills, a Sigma 70-200 will run you $800 new and a 70-200 VR will set you back $1500. All are nice lenses. Fast glass is the way to go.
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:37 am

As Clickhappy said, I would also spent my money for a good 70/80-200 f/2.8 lens, which one you choose depends on how much money you can/are willing to spend.

If you have the money, go for a 70-200 VR from Nikon. There is nothing you can do wrong with this lens.. (have tested it once, and it is really really cool!)
I have a Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 myself and it is a really good lens, too. The only thing I am missing some times is the VR, but therefor you nearly get the same image quality for half the price of the VR lens..

But anyway in my opinion having a fast lens is much more important than having a VR!

Don't concern to much about changing lenses, it isn't a great deal, and normally you don't need to do it that often...
but anyway for the lower focal length I would maybe go and sell the 18-55mm and instead spend some money for the 18-135mm lens from Nikon..
Because then you don't have the break between 55 and 70mm
and you have one lens you can use when coming closer to the action, and one when you are a bit far away

Cheers,
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 2):
If you have the money, go for a 70-200 VR from Nikon. There is nothing you can do wrong with this lens..

I'll second that, it's a fantastic lens. It also works well with Nikon's 1.4 and 1.7x converters.

Another lens to consider is the Nikkor 80-400, but it's the old screw-type focus so it won't be able to keep up with fast movers if you're really close to the runway (farther stuff like aircraft on approach should be no problem). Oops, just realized as I type this that screw-type focusing lenses won't work on the D40 so you'll have to save this lens for a future purchase when you upgrade your camera. The new 70-300 VR is very good glass for the money, but don't expect it to perform well in low light.

And when you really want to spend some money, go for the Nikkor 200-400mm F4 lens...  Big grin

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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:16 am

Does a Nikon D40 work with the 80-400 lens?

I was under the impression one needed an AF-S lens to get autofocusing with the D40?
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 3):
Oops, just realized as I type this that screw-type focusing lenses won't work on the D40



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 4):
Does a Nikon D40 work with the 80-400 lens?

He already corrected himself  Wink

Cheers
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:48 am

Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 5):
He already corrected himself

I stand corrected... again...  Big grin

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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:56 am

please excuse my fine attention to detail Big grin

Would it work on a D40? Since I wrote that I read up on it more, and I can't seem to get a clear answer. Some say yes, some say no.
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
Every serious shooter should have a 70(80)/200 f/2.8.



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
Fast glass is the way to go.

So, if I was to ask which one I should choose, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L USM, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM or Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM, you would suggest going for the f/2.8?  Wink
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:56 am

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM/Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM if you need the extra aperture for low light photos, but it is a bit heavy. I have the Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L USM and would suggest the EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM.

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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:57 am

Not sure why you used the  Wink emoticon

Are you asking my opinion on if the f/2.8 is better than the f/4? If so, the answer is yes, even if the f/4 has IS or VR or whatever you want to call it.

F/4 glass is nice consumer grade stuff, 2.8 and better is what the pros use. But, you must already know that. No need to feel insecure about buying a f/4, im sure it will serve you well, but if you need the extra stop there is no discussion.
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
Would it work on a D40? Since I wrote that I read up on it more, and I can't seem to get a clear answer. Some say yes, some say no.

My understanding is that it doesn't have a focus motor in the body, so only AF-S lenses will work with it.

Scroll down to the "Seamless integration..." heading at the bottom of this page. There's a footnote that says it's only compatible with lenses that have a built-in motor.
http://vistek.ca/details/details.asp...Code=228219&CategoryID=DigitalSLRs

Edit: I should add that the mount is the same, autofocus just won't work. But if someone really wants to use an older lens, they can still manual focus.

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[Edited 2007-04-25 23:12:25]
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:16 am

Thanks for all the great input thus far!  cheerful 

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
Every serious shooter should have a 70(80)/200 f/2.8.



Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 2):
have a Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 myself and it is a really good lens, too.

Well the Sigma lens is definitely more in my current price range but have two questions about it:

1) Sigma has the APO 70-200mm F2.8 EX DG MACRO HSM listed on their webpage. I assume this is the lens you are referring to:

http://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/len...ll_details.asp?id=3316&navigator=3

2) Will it work with my D40? As someone pointed out I require AF-S or AF-I lenses because the downfall of the D40 is not focus drive motor in the body. Just not real familiar to what Sigma term translates to AF-S or AF-I. This link says that I should be good, I think:

http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/11941/nikon_d40_sigma_lenses/
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:26 am

Along with the AF-S, I believe only Nikon DX lenses will work with the D40. Which would limit your choices.
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:51 am

this is the lens you want: Sigma 70-200mm F2.8 DG MACRO, if you go Sigma.

You are in Seattle, right? You are more than welcome to try my Sigma on your D40, to see if you like it. Contact me thru my profile and you can take it for a test drive, I will be out and about this weekend shooting.

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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:17 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 10):
Not sure why you used the  Wink emoticon

Sorry, I put it there because right under this thread was a similar question I had posted and your replies to this thread answered my question. Just confirming. I guess maybe a  Smile would have been more appropriate. Thanks.
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:38 am

No worries, I read your thread after you posted in this one. Someone made a comment that the f/4 is sharper at f/4 than a f/2.8 would be at f/2.8, you might want to check that, I doubt it is true.
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:55 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):
Every serious shooter should have a 70(80)/200 f/2.8.

Every serious shooter should own a 500mm F/4 as well! Oh wait, F/4 glass is consumer grade stuff.  Sad
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:49 am

Quoting Sluger020889 (Reply 13):
Along with the AF-S, I believe only Nikon DX lenses will work with the D40. Which would limit your choices.

As I understand it any AF-S or AF-I will work with the D40.

"Compatible Lenses*1: Nikon F mount with AF coupling and AF contacts Type G or D AF Nikkor: 1) AF-S, AF-I: All functions supported;...."

http://www.nikonusa.com/template.php?cat=1&grp=2&productNr=25420
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:40 pm

I knew when I typed that you would respond Chad.

Hardly fair to compare a 70-200 f/4 to a 500mm f/4. I don't even think a prime is made above 400mm faster than f/4, is it?

At any rate, a f/2.8 is the kit to have, if one is made. I love my 300mm f/4 AF-S, but compared to a 300mm f/2.8 it sucks hind tit.

And the 80-400 VR sucks Big grin
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:43 pm

Quoting Ulfinator (Reply 12):
Will it work with my D40?

The best thing to find out is go and get a try with clickhappy, but it should work,
The HSM from Sigma stands for Hyper Sonic Motor which means it has a own (fast and silent) AF Motor inside
thats almost the same as the SWM (Silent Wave Motor) from the Nikon 70-200 f/2.8 VR lens (Sigma and Nikon may forgive for the technical details) but in use they are nearly the same...
Both are very fast lenses in AF and really silent... (The Nikon is still a bit faster than the Sigma, but in normal use you probably won't recognize it!)

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
please excuse my fine attention to detail Big grin

You are excused  Big grin
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:55 am

On a sidenote - my personal opinion. A 200mm lens is not what you want (regardless if Canon or Nikon). You will
get some nice - full frame, side-on shots if you are in the right shooting position. But thats not the whole story. Standing on the "wrong" side of the fence or trying some different framing will make you buy some 400mm...yes it's
nice playing with this stuff, mounted on the right canon camera it's worth 640mm. Having L glass and IS does the rest.
I'm sure there's an equivalent Nikon lens...

Regards Thomas
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:01 am

He shoots with a Nikon D40 and a kit lens. I am guessing a 400mm IS lens might be a little bit out of his reach. But just barely.
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:38 am

Should be this lens we are talking about, right?

AF 70-200/2,8 EX APO HSM DG

my dealer here in Vienna wants € 1.189,- for it

and this one

AF 50-500/4-6,3 EX HSM APO DG

costs € 1.429,-

Better to take the 500mm (even with a better focal length range downwards) for that money, other than being
stucked with 200mm at 2.8 (again regarding focal length). Most of the time you will be more satisfied with
a bit more zoom power as with the 2.8 lens with no reach - the difference in price is irrelevant. I know that
the Sigma 500mm lens isn't really qualitys peak (a friend of mine has it - the Canon version), but well..the focal length is an argument, at least for me. Don't go out when a thunderstorm is coming down over the airport and don't try out things, you know will turn out bad...

Disclaimer: I know i'm not talking about a "L" "IS" "VR"or whatever lens now, like in my previous posting. I just
think that 200mm is not enough for aviation photography.

Again, just my opinion.
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:42 am

Josh will be shooting in the Seattle area. 24-120mm is all you need at PAE, BFI, RNT or SEA, unless you really want to get crazy with the cheese wiz
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:54 am

But Josh may want to visit other airports, even travelling to other
continents might be an option, he doesn't know yet - but it may happen.

Adding to that he wrote he is interested in shooting at airshows. Even with
my good old 75-300 every MIG or F-16 looked like a dustspot...
 
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RE: Rookie Looking For A New Lense...

Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:00 pm

Quoting AndersNilsson (Reply 9):
Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM/Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM if you need the extra aperture for low light photos, but it is a bit heavy. I have the Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L USM and would suggest the EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM.

Won't work on a Nikon though... So rather useless to get them (unless he also wants to get a rather useless camera of a certain brand  Smile ).

Quoting Sluger020889 (Reply 13):
Along with the AF-S, I believe only Nikon DX lenses will work with the D40. Which would limit your choices.

never heard that one. Seems highly unlikely as DX lenses are no different electronically or in lens mount to regular lenses.
Only their optical design is different.
You MIGHT have a point if you go for ergonomics, as the very small size and weight of the D40 would make the smaller DX lenses more comfortable to use for some people.

Quoting Ulfinator (Reply 12):
2) Will it work with my D40? As someone pointed out I require AF-S or AF-I lenses because the downfall of the D40 is not focus drive motor in the body. Just not real familiar to what Sigma term translates to AF-S or AF-I. This link says that I should be good, I think:

AF-I is ancient, the predecessor of AF-S.
Sigma's equivalent technology is called HSM.

The Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 EX HSM DG Macro is supposed to be slightly inferior to the 70-200 f/2.8 EX HSM DG, giving you (very) limited macro capabilities (essentially a close focussing option) in return.
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