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Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Sun May 06, 2007 3:07 am

I´m seeking for my first DSLR camera and I looked two options :

SONY Alpha 100

or

EOS Rebel Xti

Both pack memory, lens, cables, etc, and a really good deal at my dealer here in Monterrey (México) so I wan´t to know what will be the recomendation, I´m sony user, since my first shots with my DSC-P43 and lately with my DSC-W7, but now I want something more "pro" with a small budget, both cameras qualify as both are about $800USD.

Any sugestions, experiencies ?

Thanks a lot in advance.

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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Sun May 06, 2007 3:55 am

add the Nikon D40x to the mix...
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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Sun May 06, 2007 5:44 am

If you want a proper DSLR, go for an established DSLR manufacturer... Canon or Nikon. I myself shoot with a Canon 400D (XTi) And I love the thing.
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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Sun May 06, 2007 5:51 am

Go Nikon dude! I've already told you that...! g77 APM / Proud ex. N80-D70 and proud current D80!!!
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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Sun May 06, 2007 6:18 am

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 2):
If you want a proper DSLR, go for an established DSLR manufacturer

Sony = Minolta
Minolta = established

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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Sun May 06, 2007 6:38 am

go with Nikon they're great
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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Sun May 06, 2007 1:11 pm

Both Nikon and Canon offer far more lenses than Sony/Minolta and 3rd party manufacturers make more accessories for the 'big two,' but try all three out and see what works for you. Pick the camera that makes the most sense to you, is easiest to use, and offers the lens combination you want to use.

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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Sun May 06, 2007 1:21 pm

If you've already got some Minolta glass, a Sony is a no-brainer. If you don't, it's less of a clear choice.

The A100 is a fine camera and produces some stunning shots. Anti-shake really works. There's some Sony/Minolta glass that you can't get on any other system. There's a large, connected community surrounding it. A large second-hand glass market with lots of good stuff is out there.

The negative is that it's in a distant third place in marketshare, and Sony charges out the ear for certian lenses (70-200G is a great, awesome lens but isn't worth $2K). The Sony DSLR user interface is also a revision of Minolta's, it's different than Sony's point n shoot interface which you're familiar with.

I'm on the fence with Sony myself. I'll use my Minolta until it dies, and I'll probably join the Sony camp only when necessary.
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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Sun May 06, 2007 1:36 pm

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 2):
If you want a proper DSLR, go for an established DSLR manufacturer... Canon or Nikon. I myself shoot with a Canon 400D (XTi) And I love the thing.

Last time I bought that up, I was almost shot!!

Minolta may be established, but their stuff is by no means as good nowadays as current market brands.

Go the Canon.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
add the Nikon D40x to the mix...

From what I've read, a good choice for those looking to purchase their first DSLR. Very well priced too.
 
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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Sun May 06, 2007 2:41 pm

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
add the Nikon D40x to the mix...



Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 3):
Go Nikon dude! I've already told you that...!

The problem is that there is no Nikon here, the store only has Sony alpha 100 and Canon EOS Xti -40D I think-

Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 6):
Pick the camera that makes the most sense to you, is easiest to use, and offers the lens combination you want to use.

That´s my dilema, because there´s no nikon avail right now, those 2 are the ones on the "final fight", also they come really well equiped in "the box" the alpha comes with a DT18-70mm F3.5-5.6 Lens , the Rebel has a 18-55mm lens, not sure if that makes a difference, both come with a 1Gb memory card, about price, I´m getting a good deal with the sony, almost $100 bucks less.

Quoting CalgaryBill (Reply 6):
Pick the camera that makes the most sense to you, is easiest to use, and offers the lens combination you want to use.

Already checked some lenses, both have great products and both are in my budget  biggrin 

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 7):
The Sony DSLR user interface is also a revision of Minolta's, it's different than Sony's point n shoot interface which you're familiar with.

That´s what I want to know, how diferent is from what i´m used to; actually the only advantage I see now is that I have several sony accesories, like memory sticks, etc, that I can use with the Alpha, so few savings there.

And here are the contenders:
Canon EOS


SONY alpha


Thanks for all replies.

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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Sun May 06, 2007 3:40 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 4):
Sony = Minolta
Minolta = established

Whilst this is true and it seems that Sony have made some changes, improvements perhaps, to the Minolta product along with committing to a range of 19 lenses I would consider the Alpha to be far less of a core product for Sony than corresponding models from Canon or Nikon.
I understand that Canon & Nikon make a wide range of other products but cameras especially DSLRs seem like more of focus for them. I fear the Alpha range at Sony will be accountant driven and more likely to live or die by their decisions.

You say you have Sony accessories, I would be surprised if many apart from the Memory sticks can be used but note the half hearted attempt at integration, Memory Sticks are used only with a CF card adaptor, a cludgy solution at best.
Memory card prices are so low these days I would not use that as buying decision.

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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Sun May 06, 2007 10:20 pm

The Alpha will not work with your Sony accessories. It uses the Minolta hot shoe, Minolta remote, CF cards, et cetera.

The fears people have about Sony handling Minolta's old product aren't unfounded, but it's simply too early to tell.

There's also far more than just 19 lenses available, there's 20 years of Maxxum lenses (and third party lenses) available for the Alpha. Granted you have to buy them New Old Stock or secondhand, but Minolta's early AF lenses are very good in quality (metal construction, color-balanced optics), are plentiful and can be found for a low price. Minolta and Sony also use different sensor array filters than Nikon and Canon, which produce very fine detail and color rendition at the expense of some high ISO noise control at ISO 800 and above.

The Rebel XTi is not a bad camera, it'll take fabulous photos. I think the handgrip is useless, though. It wouldn't fit in my hand to save my life. My 5D's grip and build was light years ahead of the 300 and 350D's. I think it's ridiculous that I have to spend $1300 on a 30D to get a good handling camera, but the 30D is a fabulous camera regardless and it's more of a criticism of the XTi than the 30D.
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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Mon May 07, 2007 12:03 am

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 10):
Memory Sticks are used only with a CF card adaptor

Camera comes with it, I have 1Gb memory sticks and the dealer is offering me a 2Gb ms PRO with the camera for only $30 more.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 10):
Memory card prices are so low these days I would not use that as buying decision.

Neither do I, only as a comment, because already have some of them, but the Canon comes with a 1Gb CF memory.

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 11):
which produce very fine detail and color rendition at the expense of some high ISO noise control at ISO 800 and above.

Read about that, kinda worried me, but not at all, as I only use iso 100 max 400.

I liked the "Super steady shot" in the sony, read about it and seems that works fine, the camera handles good -when I got it on my hands- also I liked the grip on the canon -thanks to Mr. Guerra  biggrin  who let me use his-

Both cameras seem to work fine, read some reviews on dpreview.com, but there is no info there about users, that´s also why I came here -also for info from the experts  biggrin  -

Again, thank you so much for the info, and the advice, still have till tuesday to get the camera, so I can be searching for more info.

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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Mon May 07, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting N405MX (Thread starter):
Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Really not a dilema .... ----> Go with CANON.

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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Mon May 07, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting Rotate (Reply 13):
Really not a dilema .... ----> Go with CANON.

I think I´ll do

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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Tue May 08, 2007 9:31 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 4):
Sony = Minolta
Minolta = established

 bigthumbsup 

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 7):
If you've already got some Minolta glass, a Sony is a no-brainer. If you don't, it's less of a clear choice.

That's what I did. And with the kit lens, I got this (sorry to self-plug, but hey, everyone else does it..lol)


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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Wed May 09, 2007 2:25 am

While I'm sure the Sony is a good camera, coming from the Minolta blood-line, it's a fact that Sony aren't as skilled in the DSLR world as either Canon or Nikon. Sure, the potential might be there but Sony have more important lines to concentrate on than cameras and you could find yourself in the same position as a lot of Minolta owners prior to the Sony take-over. By choosing Canon or Nikon you are almost guaranteed life-long support and can be sure that these two manufacturers will not be outdone in any way by the competition. One will never race ahead of the other becasue cameras are their primary business and there's always room for two giants in any industry - look at Airbus and Boeing. Direct competition is healthy for business and smaller companies - let's compare Embraer to Sony right now - have their fair share but will never really be able to take on the big boys. They have a large enough customer base without the need to go head-to-head.

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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Wed May 09, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 16):
have their fair share but will never really be able to take on the big boys

And if everybody buys Canon or Nikon because they are the "biggest", then nobody else will ever get on the market. If you are talking quality, then feel free to push for one brand, but don't push them just because they are the biggest.
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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Wed May 09, 2007 5:01 am

Thank you so much for all the replies, the decision was done about 1hr ago, and I got home with a new Canon XTi, both I think are great cameras, but finally canon has more time and experience, the sony product seems to work great, but I think I´ll wait also to see if they evolve or enhance their DSLR.

Again, thanks to all  biggrin 
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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Wed May 09, 2007 5:09 am

Quoting N405MX (Reply 9):
The problem is that there is no Nikon here, the store only has Sony alpha 100 and Canon EOS Xti -40D I think-

any halfway decent store will either have Nikon in stock or be able to order it for you to look at (they'll sell it quickly enough if you don't want it).
And Nikon has a dense dealer network, if the store around one corner doesn't carry them, one a bit further down the proverbial road will.
But some stores don't want you to know they carry Nikon for the simple reason they make a higher margin on Canon equipment...
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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Wed May 09, 2007 9:42 am

Quoting N405MX (Reply 18):
Thank you so much for all the replies, the decision was done about 1hr ago, and I got home with a new Canon XTi, both I think are great cameras

Congratulations. Now learn how to use it. That's my next step  Smile Otherwise you have a very expensive paperweight  Silly
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RE: Sony Or Canon; There´s The Dilema

Wed May 09, 2007 12:56 pm

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 20):
Congratulations. Now learn how to use it. That's my next step Otherwise you have a very expensive paperweight

Thanks, actually I´m taking a "tutorial" with Mr. War -a.k.a. Juan Guerra- to start using my new "toy"  biggrin 

I wanted to start shooting today but the WX is terrible here at MTY, rain all day, so maybe her first shot will be next week at Tampico.

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