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Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Sat May 12, 2007 11:51 pm

Many uploaders continue to be confused with the proper time to mark their photos as being "Dark," so the purpose of this thread is bring some clarification to the matter.

Photos that are in sunlight, be it early morning or late evening, are not considered dark, and can run the risk of being rejected if they are marked as such.

Dark is reserved for night shots, or those few moments in the very early morning or very late evening when their is still visible light, but not sunlight. If you can see shadows it is most likely not "dark."

Wiki has a couple of good reads on dawn and dusk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dusk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawn

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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Sun May 13, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
a couple of good reads on dawn and dusk

Makes no difference to me...I'm always in bed at those times.  cloudnine 
 
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Sun May 13, 2007 6:52 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):

Photos that are in sunlight, be it early morning or late evening, are not considered dark

I'm glad a screener finally clarified this.. I have always been frustrated with 'dark' cateogry selection. Thanks Royal.

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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Sun May 13, 2007 8:20 am

You aren't the only one! I had a shot from LAS rejected for Category.
 
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Tue May 15, 2007 2:08 pm

I noticed there are a few shots still slipping through (added today) with category dark which are clearly not dark as you specified. I've currently got two sunset silhouette shots in the queue, which I would've normally categorized as dark but did not. Am I still correct in my assumption?

Uploadids: 2365729, 2365617 if you'd like to see...

Thanks,
Dan

[Edited 2007-05-15 07:16:17]
 
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Tue May 15, 2007 10:09 pm

So I marked this one as dark, because it was taken when the sun already had hit the horizon, but there can still some shadows be seen.. so after your description it would be wrong??

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/JA8080Venghaus3.jpg

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[Edited 2007-05-15 15:10:51]
 
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Tue May 15, 2007 10:30 pm

The sun is clearly shining on it.

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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Tue May 15, 2007 10:33 pm

Sun is not below the horizon on that shot, I can see the reflections. So now, that shot is not Dark and would be rejected.
 
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Tue May 15, 2007 10:53 pm

but what about those 3 photos to just mention a few.. all were added yesterday...

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1210111/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1209676/L/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1209652/L/

they are all marked as dark, and that's what I did when I uploaded it... I just look for photos marked as dark, an many of them looked like mine..
I mean I probably will take it away from the queue and reupload it, but on the other hand some other shots are accepted this way...
It is not your fault, and I don't want to blame you Clickhappy.. I just find it kind of strange, that normally shots like that should get rejected for category, and on the other hand lots of get accepted..

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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Tue May 15, 2007 10:58 pm

Those photos should all have been rejected for Category. The editors have been asked to fix them.

Your shot will be rejected for Category as it is not dark.

While yours are in less light then the photos you linked to, none of them fit our criteria, which we are trying to better enforce.

Thank you for your uploads.
 
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Tue May 15, 2007 11:33 pm

I have seen accepted photos where it should not qualify as "dark" but don't you think that is a little extreme?

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
Sun is not below the horizon on that shot

Is that seriously the qualification now? How would these do with today's definition for example?

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The way Anet has been accepting photos for years is technically twilight, why the change? If the answer is because of shots being added as the above have, why change now and enforce what the technical definition of dawn and dusk are (sun is 6 degrees below the horizion) vs still allowing twilight photos like before?
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Tue May 15, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting WakeTurbulence (Reply 10):

I was thinking the same. Are these no longer dusk/dawn ?


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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Tue May 15, 2007 11:43 pm

Matt - I am not sure I understand your question.
 
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Wed May 16, 2007 12:14 am

Sorry, I thought it was a little unclear myself. In the past Anet has accepted what is technically "twilight" shots with no problem, it seems as if it was almost encouraged to mark the dark category when uploading shots such as the ones I have posted and 747438 has posted as well. I quoted you as saying "Sun is not below the horizon on that shot" so I posted my shots in response which don't seem to be dusk as defined by wikipedia.

1. Are the 4 shots I posted acceptable as "dark" defined by Anet today?

2. If not, why the change?

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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Wed May 16, 2007 12:24 am

My opinion is, that as a straight "black and white" case, they would *not* be considered dark, but I get the spirit of the point of what you are trying to say, and we are resonable people thus an internal discussion would need to take place. Personally I would allow the above photos (the LAX shots) to be marked as dark, others I am not so sure about as I feel some are manipulated to make them look much more orange than they really are, but that is not what this thread is about.

Why is this being done? Simple, abuse. Just look at some of those photos that were shown above. We are tired of writing the same messages to the same photogs over and over..so, we have to play the bad guy and start rejecting such shots.
 
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Wed May 16, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 14):
My opinion is, that as a straight "black and white" case, they would *not* be considered dark,

The category clearly states for shots taken at dusk,dawn or night time
 
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Wed May 16, 2007 12:41 am

The category clearly states for shots taken at dusk,dawn or night time

It does indeed. And, since the defintion of "civil dusk" is the sun being 6 degrees below the horizon, then clearly if the sun is visible it cannot be dusk.

Glad to see we agree.
 
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Wed May 16, 2007 1:24 am

Got it, thanks Royal.
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Wed May 16, 2007 4:20 am

Thanks for the clarification!

I deleted my shot, and reuploaded it without the category dark marked..
Another few days more to wait  weeping 

But better than another rejection...  Wink

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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Wed May 16, 2007 7:04 am

I think It'll be good to add a explanation till next week for shots that on the past were considered dark and now it is not. I got a rejection today because this new rule and I had no ideia of the reason before I post a topic here in the forum.

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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Wed May 16, 2007 8:22 am

I can see it coming

... new rejections will apply to moonshots as well soon...

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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Thu May 17, 2007 8:34 am

I'm a bit late here, but...

To save confusion, why not just have a night section. Anything else is just causing confusion.

So my suggestion is the section is called "night" and get rid of the "dusk" and "dawn" words as there in lies the problem.
 
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Thu May 17, 2007 8:58 pm

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 7):
Sun is not below the horizon on that shot, I can see the reflections. So now, that shot is not Dark and would be rejected.

What about shots that are were uploaded, and are still awaiting screening, before this "clarification"?
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Thu May 17, 2007 10:00 pm

I am sure most are being updated by hand, by the screeners during the screening process, unless there are other rejection reasons as well. I know I have updated a ton over the past few days.
 
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RE: Clarification On "Dark" Rejections

Fri May 18, 2007 7:24 am

I know this has nothing to do with this thread but when you have a hybrid colours for eg like below

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1202267/M/
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1203727/M/

does that fit with the Colourful special?

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