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Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:32 am

Can anyone tell me why this is badmotiv?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...g/20070517_IMG_7075-FGSQE-anet.jpg

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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:38 am

hi the wheels on the right are blocked by the pipes(I know it's only a little bit but still). thanks Yuan Le
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:39 am

Well, it might be the very prominent tow-truck + obstructed view of forward landing gear...
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:42 am

OK,

But is this not a bit neatpikking? Does that small amount of pipe ruine the shot that mutch???

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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 5:59 am

Hi Daniel

Yes, the motive rejection would apply to the tow truck (obstructed nose landing gear) and maybe also the (slightly) obstructed right main landing gear (both by the pipe and a bit hidden behing the grass). The latter seems a bit picky to me, however.
What I see in your picture, too, is that it´s a bit flat and grainy.
Hope it helps.  Smile

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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting Xenon (Reply 3):
But is this not a bit neatpikking?

You mean nitpicking.  Smile

I think it's a great pic. It really shows the size of the aircraft to good effect. Personally I don't see the wheels missing as a problem.
 
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:08 am

Thats what I mean. The motiv is clear; a T7 beeing pushed.
Its evident when its beeing pushed, the nosegear isn't fully visible.
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:08 am

Wow... you guys really are succeeding in taking the aviation out of aviation photography.
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:18 am

Personally, I think the wall and pipe on the bottom are distracting, and the shot is cropped too tightly. Factor in the flatness and it's not as attractive as it could be.

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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting Acontador (Reply 2):
Well, it might be the very prominent tow-truck + obstructed view of forward landing gear...



Quoting Lanas (Reply 4):
Yes, the motive rejection would apply to the tow truck (obstructed nose landing gear)

I believe there are plenty of shots here that include tow-trucks. I don't think that is reason for a motive rejection, and in this specific case is a significant part of the motive.
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:32 am

If it is because of that pipe then its time for people to get real. That small amount is ridiculous to call a motive reject.

Quoting Acontador (Reply 2):
Well, it might be the very prominent tow-truck + obstructed view of forward landing gear...

Plenty of shots with tow trucks in existence already...

Quoting Graphic (Reply 7):
Wow... you guys really are succeeding in taking the aviation out of aviation photography.

And the enjoyment if that's the case. It's a great shot.
 
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting Xenon (Thread starter):
Can anyone tell me why this is badmotiv?

Hi Daniel,

I like your shot (with the angle and the crop)! Personally, I would not mind if small things are blocking the gears (but I don't make the rules here  Smile ). I had also a rejection for bad motiv (including quality, so I will not bother about this one anymore),although I liked this angle as well:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...268_RT8_WVB_800-1200px_re-edit.jpg

Indeed also small objects blocking (parts of) the aircraft...  Sad

PS: Maybe Thierry can use them for the IGRR...

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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 7:12 am

Daniel.
I think the tow truck itself if it was fully visible it would have made it in.
Some of the tow is blocked by the fence.
I believe that to be the cause of the motiv rejection.
lovely shot anyways.
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 7:22 am

Quoting JumboJim747 (Reply 12):
I think the tow truck itself if it was fully visible it would have made it in.
Some of the tow is blocked by the fence.

Agreed! Can't believe it didn't come up sooner. But other than the cropped truck, I really like the image.

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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 7:29 am

Wow, chill out guys  Smile !
Never said I didn't like the picture, and I didn't say that pictures with tow-trucks are not allowed  Confused ...
Daniel was asking a question, and I was only trying to give a possible answer. In terms of A.net, I just feel that in this shot the truck is too prominent, since when I opened the pictures my eyes were drawn instantly to it. Additionally, it completely blocks the forward landing gear (could have been avoided by cropping higher?), which together with the fence just may have tipped the balance against its acceptance.
Just an opinion from a non-screener, take it for what it's worth...
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 7:34 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
I believe there are plenty of shots here that include tow-trucks. I don't think that is reason for a motive rejection, and in this specific case is a significant part of the motive.

So why is this a motive rejection?


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I am guessing that its because the tug covers the nose?
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 7:46 am

All,

Thx for the replies so far.
I feel no real consensus about the motiv in all your replies so should I appeal?
(Tug, maingear, nosegear,..)

Maybe a screener can point me out?

Thx,

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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 8:01 am

Quoting Xenon (Reply 16):
so should I appeal?

No. Althought the tug shot is a little contentious, the fence is your issue with the motive rejection. Its in the way of the aircraft and the tug. Sad
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 2:24 pm

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 17):
No. Althought the tug shot is a little contentious, the fence is your issue with the motive rejection. Its in the way of the aircraft and the tug.

Agreed, don't appeal. But it's a keeper for the personal collection.

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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:10 pm

I have only just noticed this thread - I wasn't about much yesterday
I am certain that the motive is the fence more than anything else.
II would have rejected for quality/contrast too. What, at a glance is a really impressive shot, is actually, as pointed out by Lanas, flat.
It is typical of a shot where shadow/highlight has been abused where there is neither a good deep, clean black nor a good clean white.
I do not think it is worth an appeal.
The issue on the one Monteycarlos shows is different where a substantial part of the nose is hidden
I hope this helps
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Fri May 18, 2007 6:32 pm

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 19):
nor a good clean white.

Thats because its Air France...  Smile

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 19):
The issue on the one Monteycarlos shows is different where a substantial part of the nose is hidden

As suspected. Thanks Mick.
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RE: Motiv? Why?

Sat May 19, 2007 1:27 am

Ok, Thx for all the replies!
Thx Mick.

Time to move on.

Case closed.

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