calfo
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When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:30 am

First, I would like to say hi to everyone here. This is my first post and I have First Class for only 13 days as thats how many photo I have sold.

Now my question:
I just got an email from some Military Ops Officer who wants to use one of my photos in his PowerPoint slideshow.

The photo is:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1217658/M/

And the email is:

Sir:
I am the Ops Officer at the Goose Bay Military Coordination Centre.
One of my duties is to produce a briefing for the Wing Commander each
Friday morning which details the events of the week past and a summary of
the events scheduled for the next week. I would like permission to use
your photos as part of the presentation. These photos will be used
only to enhance an otherwise dull PowerPoint slideshow and will have the
Airliners.net and your name credits on the bottom of the photos.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

Yours in aviation enthusiasm,

******* ******
*** Ops Officer
* **** Goose Bay
Goose Bay Newfoundland & Labrador


I have not got many email like this and for this one I would probably give it for free, but i'm never sure when I should charge for using my photos and when I should not.

All I know is that if it is for personal use: Free


Any help is appreciated,
Douglas
 
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:34 am

I am of the opinion you should always charge. For a powerpoint presentation I would charge $50US give or take or have the company send you a huge care package with hats and shirts and key chains and stuff. Too many give away their work for nothing. You work hard to get good captures why give them away for nothing?
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:41 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
You work hard to get good captures why give them away for nothing?

Because they probably wont be making profit using that photo.

I also am more on the side thinking that every photo usage should be charged, but as I am still relatively new to this, I'm sort of scared to loose them. The only other time someone asked me for a photo, it was some winglet company that wanted to use it on there website. We even agreed on a price and I found a contract, but for some reason, he just stoped replying and it was the end.

Thanks
Douglas
 
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:51 am

I would probably let him use it for free (have done so in the past).

If you charge him, he'll probably find another photo which he can use in this case. So why not let him use your photo so more people can see your shot(s).

Note: I'm not saying you should always give your photos away for free, of course there are times when you should charge.
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calfo
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 3):
If you charge him, he'll probably find another photo which he can use in this case.

Thats what i'm always thinking. He can always find another photo to use

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 3):
I'm not saying you should always give your photos away for free, of course there are times when you should charge.

Thats my problem. I never know when to charge and when not to. This is where I need help.

Thanks
Douglas
 
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:00 am

This is just the sort of thing I usually give away for free. I think the guy is simply being polite - for a Powerpoint presentation, how would anyone ever know anyway.
Commercial requests I always charge. At the mention of money they frequently do not return to negotiate.
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:08 am

Quoting Calfo (Reply 2):
Because they probably wont be making profit using that photo.

Personally, I would agree with this. Something else to point out is that it's very nice of them to ask in the first place (they could have used your photo and you wouldn't have known anyway...).

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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:16 am

I would not ask for money either. Perhaps I would ask for a visit to the base, if you live in the area. If not, credit under the photo will do.

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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:44 am

A rough rule i always follow:
Commercial use = Charge
Non commercial use = rarely charge.

But every request is different, have to make the call from request to request.


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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 6):
Something else to point out is that it's very nice of them to ask in the first place (they could have used your photo and you wouldn't have known anyway...).

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Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 5):
This is just the sort of thing I usually give away for free. I think the guy is simply being polite - for a Powerpoint presentation, how would anyone ever know anyway.

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I also think that having a good contact on a Base, is of much better value than monetary reward! Imagine a possible base-visit (even if only once) as a privileged photographer (with sometimes the ability to make money shots  Wink...).

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 5):
Commercial requests I always charge.

In order not to disturb the market (by giving it away for free) for those people that make a living from photography, I would also do that (but I have never had such a request  Smile ). For others, I just ask what they would offer (I was once offered a copy of a magazine, once I got an aviation book for free, and one picture brought me in contact again with a former BAF-colleague and this has now resulted in several TLP-visits...).

I recently had a request in from a fellow spotter who stood next to me when the Blue Angels arrived in the Netherlands. He asked me whether I still had some shots from that day (he had had a PC-harddisk crash with a loss of his pictures). Well, I offered to help him out and make him a CD with my shots from that day (since he was standing next to me, we must have had almost identical shots anyway). Having had a PC-crash myself not so long ago, I know the feeling of lost data...and I would be very pleased if someone would help me out in such an occasion. So, in such a case, I offer it also completely for free.

Quoting Calfo (Thread starter):
I have not got many email like this

Save it! In today's world, you will not get that many polite e-mails! ... and you can be proud for the fact that your shot was selected!!

Best regards,

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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 5):
This is just the sort of thing I usually give away for free. I think the guy is simply being polite - for a Powerpoint presentation, how would anyone ever know anyway.

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Quoting Tommy Mogren (Reply 8):
Commercial use = Charge
Non commercial use = rarely charge.

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In my view it is very simple: commercial goes commercial, non commercial goes non commercial.
Giving something away does not always mean you get nothing in return.
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:03 am

In this case, I would probably let him use it for free, as long as he didn't clip the name off of the bottom. In any other case, I would say charge relative to how much you think it'll be worth to them in the long run. And name must be kept with or posted somewhere else. My biggest payment is people looking to me for more.
 
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:49 am

Quoting Fly747 (Reply 7):
Perhaps I would ask for a visit to the base,



Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 9):
I also think that having a good contact on a Base, is of much better value than monetary reward!

Excellent suggestion guys! You're clearly much more devious than myself!  Wink

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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:58 am

Douglas,
If it were me and I was satisfied the writer was genuine (and I have no reason to suspect they are not)I would give them access to the photo.
If it was Eurocopter etc I would charge (significantly) but for the defence forces I would be more generous especially for those that put themselves at considerable risk to save us mere mortals.. often from our own stupidity.

I had a similar request once from someone in our navy, I believe the shot ended up as a Windows Wallpaper on a large percentage of the PCs in the RAN, do I care? not at all they earned it.

Just to reiterate.. before I get flamed by the "pros", I would charge for commercial use.

Cheers

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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 5:09 pm

In this case I would send it for free. I had several requests of that type and all I ask is just my name and email to be credited in the presentation and also a copy of the powerpoint presentation for a matter of interest. I sell pictures only to people making profit out of it. And to those who always charge, well this is their conception but mine is that sometimes we gain more in giving than just selling.

As an example, I had a particular picture with firefighters on it and broadly sold it to several magazines, websites and newspapers. But some airport firefighters officers from all around the world asked the pictures for their own presentations too, and I decided to give to them instead of selling. Eventually some of them even invited me with my family to visit the airport HQs whenever I was around their airport. After giving the pictures, me with my kids made an unforgettable visit of the firemans HQs of my home airport during a whole afternoon. We saw my pictures hanging on the wall of the cafeteria... priceless! Eventually we became friends with a firefighter. So you see ? Sometimes you gain more than just selling.
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:11 pm

Yeah, the guy's just trying to spruce up the presentation a bit.. If I were you, Id thank him immensely for actually respecting your photography enough to ask! Considering that all he would have had to do is just copy/paste it in to the presentation...

You have some great shots, BTW!

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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:56 pm

Quoting Calfo (Reply 2):
Because they probably wont be making profit using that photo.

Not making any money? Aren't powerpoints a form of advertising? A way of pitching? They do stand to make some money from a powerpoint presentation and they can more than afford a small sum or merchandise to send to you to use your picture.

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 3):
If you charge him, he'll probably find another photo which he can use in this case. So why not let him use your photo so more people can see your shot(s).

Let him them. Plenty of people see my shots here. No excuse to give them away.

Quoting Tommy Mogren (Reply 8):
A rough rule i always follow:
Commercial use = Charge
Non commercial use = rarely charge.

Isn't a powerpoint commercial?
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:13 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
Aren't powerpoints a form of advertising? A way of pitching?

Depends in which way you use it. I use it to do presentations at school, this guy does it to make a presentation for the wing commander. What you basically use it for is getting the info you have across in a visual way. This does not mean it's commercial (in both my cases no money is directly or indirectly made from it).

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):

Isn't a powerpoint commercial?

It doesn't have to be, see above.
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calfo
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:11 am

Well, I sent him an email giving permission, not asking any payment, but not ether saying it was for free. Will wait and see what hapens.

Thanks to all,
Douglas
 
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:27 am

I would not have charged a fee either. It's not like the Canadian military has money to spend on photos  Wink

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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:25 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 17):
It doesn't have to be, see above

I read the above. Seriously, if an airline or and airport is putting together a powerpoint it is commercial. Not personal.

Quoting Calfo (Reply 18):
not asking any payment, but not ether saying it was for free

 faint 

Someone explain this to me.
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:30 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
Seriously, if an airline or and airport is putting together a powerpoint it is commercial. Not personal.

I agree it's not personal, but there is no money to be made from the presentation in this case.
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
Someone explain this to me.

I am letting him the the photo, at no fee, but I didn't tell him to not pay me
 
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RE: When To Charge For Photo Use And When Not To?

Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:38 am

Douglas,
As a member of the CF I can tell you will probably not get paid. That being said, your work will be appreciated by the Wing Commander and the members of 103 Rescue Sqn (who also fly the Cormorant) who will see that picture at Morning Brief. BTW I love this shot of yours...

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