pashnin
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Color Damaged After Upload

Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:39 pm

Hey guys! I want to ask you a question, just today a go through my upload photos in the queue and notice all my photos witch i just uploaded is absolutely colorless and looks like unedited!!! First i think, somehow i upload unedited photo but when i compare edited photo with uploaded photo i find a big different in colors!!! Someone have that problem before??? Guys can you compare your uploaded photos with your original edited photo! I work on brand new G5 Mac. I dont think is problem with my Mac because when i compare my uploads on other internet sites i find them in same color as original (after editing)
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Thu Jun 07, 2007 1:53 pm

I m not quite sure but I have something in mind, that it happened before to someone and it turned out that it was a problem with the colourspace he uploaded the pictures in... I think he solved it with uploading them in sRGB and not AdobeRGB as he did..
But as I said I m not quite sure, but maybe just try it...

Hope it helps!

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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:59 pm

I also had this effect yesterday on one of two photos. Both with sRGB. I had to delete the photo from the queue because I thougt it wouldnt have any chance to get accepted as it looked totally different from the original and would get a bad color rejection. I allways use sRGB on my photos.
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:32 am

I experienced the same thing about 18mths ago. Specifically, the colour and contrast was altered after uploading - the picture was slightly darker as a whole, and the greens were all over the place. I never figured out what caused it - renaming the file, then re-uploading it cured the problem. I haven't bothered to search, but I wrote a topic about it at the time.

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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:59 am

I check all my accepted photos for last 2 months, same thing!!! all photos screwed up while uploading, I dont know what to do......
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:32 am

Why not post some examples of these color shifts?
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:53 am

Why not post some examples of these color shifts?

How can i do this?
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting Pashnin (Reply 6):

How can i do this?

take a screen shot of it, and put it onto photobucket or something and use the HTML link that they give you and copy and paste that on to the message on A.net and when you press preview post you will see your photo.

p.s take a screen shot by downloading this: http://www.simradar.com/File/2791/FSScreen_Version_1_1.html and then prees PRTSC or print screen but make sure you have opened the little box thing that says " most recent photo" then minimize it and take your photo and when you look in the folder it should be there. like this:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z6/flyer_011/fsscr040.jpg
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:20 am

Well, you said they are different from pictures you have uploaded. Upload the original files to your profile, like you have done for your AN225 shot, and post links to the uploaded shots.
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:09 am

original image:
http://www.tombombadil.de/aviopics/images/psc5806.jpg

uploaded to a.net:
http://www.airliners.net/uf/536887390/1181242966C3HJ9J.jpg

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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 4:41 am

Where is the a.net copyright bar? We need to see the actual file as created by the A.net scripts...
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:33 am

The second picture is created by the a.net scripts...
I uploaded it into my profile (as recommended above) and it shows the same effect as if the photo has been uploaded to the screening queue. The only difference is the copyright bar wich is not included in the profile picture. This picture must also be located on the a.net server I guess. When you click on the picture the browser opens this link:

http://www.airliners.net/uf/536887390/1181242966C3HJ9J.jpg (here you can see the filename)

I hope this helps. If not I can upload the picture again into the screening queue.

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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:02 am

The crop is different too....

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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:42 am

As Jan points out above, the two images you have posted are indeed different. Here are the two images, layed on top of each other, in Photoshop.

They are clearly different. We need to see the exact images to be able to troubleshoot this.

Big version: Width: 1200 Height: 800 File size: 721kb


If you want to edit a photo in Photoshop, and then upload it, feel free to do so. Just put a note in the "Comments to Screeners" section.

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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:58 am

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 12):
The crop is different too....

you are right! Hm... I dont understand this - how can the crop being changed by the upload scripts this way? I have uploaded exactly the same picture to the screening queue again right before writing these lines but the effect does not occur this time... It seems that my samples are no longer reproducable. Perhaps Pashnin can provide a sample from him.

Bjoern

[Edited 2007-06-07 23:58:55]
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:52 am

Ok this is on A.NET (rejected) http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20070514_CRW_9210.jpg

This is same file uploaded to other site

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewqueued_b.php?id=1459904

[Edited 2007-06-08 01:53:14]
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:06 am

A.NET (rejected)
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20070519_IMG_2147.jpg
same file uploaded to other site
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewqueued_b.php?id=1459902
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:19 pm

Royal where are you????? so you got 2 example from me and other photographers a see now i am not alone who experiencing same problem! and i dont know what too do! First i would like to re-upload all accepted photos witch is NOT in right color........

Best regards
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Fri Jun 08, 2007 10:35 pm

I'm here Yevgeny. I have to sleep you know Big grin I also have a life away from this website, believe it or not.

I will be looking at your photos later today.

But I do have a quick question. Can you place the original, edited file somewhere that it can be seen? All your two above posts to is compare a rejected A.net photo to an accepted JetPhotos photo. I need to see the file as it was, before it was uploaded.

Comparing the A.net version to the JP version is meaningless. It would appear JP is using a more aggressive compression algorithm on your photos, as they are about 10% smaller in file size.
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:18 pm

ok Royal i got a sample for you, that photo was accepted by A.NET and same file uploaded to my profile so i got a question how to fix this?

SAMPLE




In A.NET DB
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1202729/L/
I dont really know about you but I see a BIG different

[Edited 2007-06-12 07:20:25]
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:14 pm

Quoting Pashnin (Reply 19):
I dont really know about you but I see a BIG different

I'm not really seeing any difference.  Confused
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:23 pm

Quoting Pashnin (Reply 19):
I dont really know about you but I see a BIG different

Do you see a difference in color when looking at both pictures in your internet browser? I do not.

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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:31 pm

Yevgeny,
I made a composite of your 2 images and yes the colour difference is noticeable. The on in your user profile has the colour profile ADOBE RGB (1998) embedded.

Here is the composite (click on it for the big version)
http://www.airliners.net/uf/536874390/118164051683EJII.jpg
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:39 am

So Peter what the solution to resolve this problem? it is problem with my computer or setting?

[Edited 2007-06-12 17:40:50]
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:45 am

Have a read here:

http://www.gballard.net/psd/go_live_..._profile/embeddedJPEGprofiles.html

You want sRGB not Adobe RGB.

Your camera should be set to sRGB, and in Photoshop you want Edit> Color Settings> then set your RGB working space to sRGB IEC61966-2.1

and under Color Management Policies set RGB to Off
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:49 am

Javibe and Silver1SWA you need more work with your eves))))) I really wonder you didn't notice any difference
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:36 am

Quoting Pashnin (Reply 25):
Javibe and Silver1SWA you need more work with your eves))))) I really wonder you didn't notice any difference

Looks no different here, either.....I'm using a mac, though...don't know if that makes a difference. Peter's certainly showcases a difference, but I can't see any difference between the first two.

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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:15 am

F9Widebody plane is same)))) pay more attention to color of Sky, flowers and Grass
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Javibi (Reply 21):
Do you see a difference in color when looking at both pictures in your internet browser?

I ask again.

Do you see any change of color anywhere here? Half is one picture and half the other... I do not see any difference.


Big version: Width: 1100 Height: 712 File size: 527kb
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:09 am

Again??? Javibi did you see a stripes on the Peter SAMPLE???????????????? Peter make a nice sample to see the difference to people who didn't see that for some reason
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting Pashnin (Reply 29):
Again??? Javibi did you see a stripes on the Peter SAMPLE???????????????? Peter make a nice sample to see the difference to people who didn't see that for some reason

What we've established is that the images appear different on some computers (Peters, Yours), but not on others (mine, Javier's, or Silver1's).
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:13 am

May be something wrong with my Mac but in my office a got another 5pc! all of them wrong????))
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:19 pm

Quoting Pashnin (Reply 25):
Javibe and Silver1SWA you need more work with your eves

No, I do not...

Quoting Pashnin (Reply 29):
What we've established is that the images appear different on some computers (Peters, Yours), but not on others (mine, Javier's, or Silver1's).

That seems to be the case.

And further, I DO see a difference in color on Peter's edit of your photos embedded together. I see it only in his example, not in your original posts.
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:54 pm

They look the same on mine, too.

[Edited 2007-06-13 16:55:08]
 
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:17 am

i am guessing that the 2 JPEGs have different profiles and those who see the difference use JPEG viewers (browsers) which disregard the embedded profile and use default. Those who do NOT see the difference, use viewers which process profiles correctly.
For Mac, try opening the pics with Preview, Safari, Netscape, Photoshop. See if there is a difference. Not sure which PC programs (except Photoshop) will read profiles correctly).
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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:37 am

I opened both files in Photoshop CS2 on WInXP, did the same as Peter ..... nothing! Zilch! NADA DE NADA!! No difference whatsoever.


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RE: Color Damaged After Upload

Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:53 am

Quoting Pashnin (Reply 29):
Again???

And I would keep on asking until A) You answer my questions (you did not) or B) I get bored of you not answering (most likely).

I was trying to help YOU here, but I wanted to know more.

Quoting SFO2SVO (Reply 34):
i am guessing that the 2 JPEGs have different profiles and those who see the difference use JPEG viewers (browsers) which disregard the embedded profile and use default. Those who do NOT see the difference, use viewers which process profiles correctly.

This is the most probable explanation for the differences between us, I guess.

Quoting PUnmuth@VIE (Reply 22):
The one in your user profile has the colour profile ADOBE RGB (1998) embedded.



Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 1):
I m not quite sure but I have something in mind, that it happened before to someone and it turned out that it was a problem with the colourspace he uploaded the pictures in... I think he solved it with uploading them in sRGB and not AdobeRGB as he did..



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 24):
You want sRGB not Adobe RGB.

And that is what you are doing wrong (uploading Adobe RGB files instead of sRGB)

Keep well.

j

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