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Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:05 am

Here's a question for all the photogs out there...

I'm beginning to discover the joys of photography. I've been a point-and-shoot kind of guy all my life, but last week a photographer friend of mine showed me some of his work and some of his photography equipment and it got me interested. The local college is running some 'Photography 101' courses and I'm signed up, but I need my own camera.

It doesn't need to be fantastic, and it doesn't need to be an SLR camera, but it does need to have some decent zoom options and it must have a manual focus capability.

I was looking at this:

http://www.fotoconnection.com/vi-229...-SP-500-UZ-225720.html#spec_detail

as a cheap option, but in all honesty, I have not a clue about this kind of thing.

Help a man out, make your suggestions for a beginner.
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:17 am

I'd say by all means, start with an SLR. You can expand your lens collection from there, but it costs money to buy a camera only to outgrow it in a few months (which you will do with a P&S).

There are a number of different, good entry-level digital SLRs on the market nowadays, and the three I'd recommend are the Sony Alpha, the Nikon D40x (not the D40, that one is weak), or the Canon 400D. They're all about the same quality, although the Canon has a dust-reduction mechanism and the Sony has integrated Image Stabilization.

If I had to recommend one I'd pick the Canon, simply because it's what most people use. You'll have the easiest time of the three with it if you want to get specific help on a forum or buy a new lens. Again, though, all three of them are fine cameras.

For a lens to start with (regardless of whether or not you go for the kit lens), a cheap prime lens (one that doesn't zoom) is a great way to go. Something around 50mm is perfect to work with for those first few months to work on your composition and give you a better idea of what you really want in a lens.

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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:22 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 1):
If I had to recommend one I'd pick the Canon

This one?
http://www.fotoconnection.com/viewit...9d3s1IwCFRs_ggodwHrMtA#spec_detail
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Thread starter):

You have a couple of choices in terms of SLR. You can get a great bargain by getting the EOS300, which is now been discontinued. Its 6.3 Megapixel camera, but its a great camera for the money. I purchased the EOS350, which is a little better than the EOS300 but a step below the EOS400 that is mentioned by AC773. Its all depends on your budget, and what your needs are. Since you are a a "rookie", i highly suggest the EOS300 or EOS350, those cameras are really a great bargain, and the fact that theyre SLR means that you can buy lenses, for all kinds of pursuits, including aviation photography.
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:45 am

IFEMaster, I hope you dont mind an on topic hijacking but -

Im in the market for a new camera as well. I want a digital SLR to get me in at the bottom end so I can learn technique et al.

I have roughly £350 to spend.

I have been looking on ebay at Canon 300D or 350D.

Thoughts?
 
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:57 am

Quoting Moo (Reply 4):

I have been looking on ebay at Canon 300D or 350D.

Thoughts?

how big are your hands?



no I'm not trying to be funny, if you have big hand you will seriously dislike the 350D because of it's size. In any other way it's probably better then the 300D
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:57 am

Dude don't spend a thousand bucks on a camera setup if you've got really no experience. Get a Film SLR, you can get some used for as cheap as five bucks if you know where to look (re: garage sales, 2nd hand camera stores). If the one you buy doesn't work, you're out 5 bucks its no big deal, you can find another one. If you buy a digital SLR and decide its not your thing, you're out a thousand bucks that wasn't worth it.
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting Moo (Reply 4):
I have been looking on ebay at Canon 300D

Look here: http://www.acephotodigital.com/sc/re...oduct-information.asp?id=757226024

There are some really positive reviews about this camera too.

Thanks for the heads up on this Camera, LAXspotter.
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
Dude don't spend a thousand bucks on a camera setup if you've got really no experience.

I'm not planning on it.

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
If you buy a digital SLR and decide its not your thing, you're out a thousand bucks that wasn't worth it.

At worse, I'll be out $500, and that's where eBay comes in.
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:12 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 5):
no I'm not trying to be funny, if you have big hand you will seriously dislike the 350D because of it's size. In any other way it's probably better then the 300D

My hands are ample  Smile A colleague at work has a 10D and that seems ok size and weight wise, and apparently the 300D and 350D is not that far off a 10D in that way.

Quoting Graphic (Reply 6):
Dude don't spend a thousand bucks on a camera setup if you've got really no experience. Get a Film SLR, you can get some used for as cheap as five bucks if you know where to look (re: garage sales, 2nd hand camera stores). If the one you buy doesn't work, you're out 5 bucks its no big deal, you can find another one. If you buy a digital SLR and decide its not your thing, you're out a thousand bucks that wasn't worth it.

This is why I'm limiting myself to, probably, a second hand older model worth no more than $600 or $700.

I have experience, but not with an SLR, and I would rather get a digital one because I have no means to develop my own film, nor the will to spend out on development.

I also am a dab hand at digital manipulation, so I want my photos in RAW or a high quality format so I can handle them on the computer.

If it isn't for me, then it can easily enough go back on ebay from whence it came.
 
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:12 am

If you want to get into a DSLR, you might want to look at the Olympus Evolt E410 or E510. You could get both for under $1000 and come in a 2 lens kit. They are just as good as the Canon's or Nikons. They both have a dust reduction system, but the 510 is a bit bigger (and feels better in the hand) and also has image stabilization built in as well as a "liveview" LCD screen which means you can use the LCD to shoot the picture as you would on a digital point and shoot. You might also want to look into the older E500, it doesn't have the image stabilization or liveview LCD and only 8 megapixels, but it still has the dust reduction system and sells for $700 (2 lens kit) in Canada.

Another nice thing about the Olympus cameras is that they don't have as much of a plastic feel to them as the Canon Rebels or entry level Nikons.
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
This one?

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Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 3):
You can get a great bargain by getting the EOS300

Agreed, but if you're going to go for that vintage, I'd suggest going for the 10D. It's like the 300D, but with a magnesium-alloy body and a number of different improvements. There are oodles of them out there at a pretty similar price to the 300D. Then again, these days I'd recommend at least a 350D unless you really can't afford it.

Quoting Moo (Reply 4):

That sounds like a good idea, and used is a good way to go. The two recommendations I have are first, be extremely careful about buying cameras on eBay and second, you again might want to go for a 10D instead of a 300D. Not only does it have the extra features I mentioned above, but it has a shutter life of 100,000 clicks as opposed to the 300D/350D/400D's 50,000. When you start thinking about buying a camera that's about 4 years old now, that's important to consider.

But don't let the age put you off. Last year, I bought a used Canon 10D for about $500 (or less than 1/2 of what it cost new). It's a stellar camera, and no amount of time will ever change that. I'm not making posters so 6 MP is more than enough for me, and with my bigger sensor and other SLR attributes, I still wipe the floor with modern day point & shoots.
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:20 am

Quoting Moo (Reply 9):
A colleague at work has a 10D and that seems ok size and weight wise, and apparently the 300D and 350D is not that far off a 10D in that way.

I can't speak for the 300D as it's a little bigger than the 350D and I've never tried one, but I have held a 350D. My hands aren't that big, and even I found it tiny and uncomfortable. The 10D was a huge leap forward for me in terms of ergonomics; it fits like a glove. I can shoot for hours, and often do.
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:38 am

Quoting Moo (Reply 9):

My hands are ample Smile A colleague at work has a 10D and that seems ok size and weight wise, and apparently the 300D and 350D is not that far off a 10D in that way.

300D and 10D are about the same in size, the 350D is a lot smaller!
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:48 am

Goodness knows why on earth this was moved in to Av-Photography (seeing as I've not interest in taking pictures of planes), but there we are...Mod's Will Be Done.  Smile

I don't know if I really want to shell out the beans for a Digital SLR, though. I guess what I probably need to do is get down to a decent camera shop and try some out for myself.
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:09 am

Quoting AC773 (Reply 1):
the Canon has a dust-reduction mechanism and the Sony has integrated Image Stabilization.

Olympus E-510 has both for relatively cheap and a two-lens kit with plenty of zoom.

Quoting JRadier (Reply 5):
if you have big hand you will seriously dislike the 350D because of it's size.

I agree. That's why I didn't buy it.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 10):
You might also want to look into the older E500, it doesn't have the image stabilization or liveview LCD and only 8 megapixels, but it still has the dust reduction system and sells for $700 (2 lens kit) in Canada.

That's the camera I use (see signature). I chose it because of price and zoom and it really is great. And with more and more lenses coming out for the four-thirds system (including Sigma's 135-400 and 300-800) it's becoming more and more versatile. It's very sharp, has lots of contrast, feels incredibly comfortable, easy to use, and above all, cheap. I definitely recommend the Olympus. Either the E-500 or the E-510.

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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Tue Jun 12, 2007 8:16 am

The Refurb Depot has what looks like a Canon EOS 300D bundle for $479.95. What's everyone's opinions on refurbished cameras?

http://www.refurbdepot.com/productdetails2.cfm?Product_ID=4365
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:46 am

Alright, I opted for this:

http://www.fotoconnection.com/vi-11457________Canon-EOS-350D-.html

Includes a free tripod, case and cleaning kit. I think this is a decent bundle to get me started. Thoughts?
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:34 am

Keep in mind that your photos will probably need some type of post processing, a lot of DSLR newbies get discouraged when their pics don't come out of the camera perfect everytime. So I would start learning about photoshop right away!!
 
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Wed Jun 13, 2007 3:51 am

Thanks for the comments!

What are peoples opinions on the Nikon D50? I can get one veeeery cheaply, so its tempting.
 
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting Romeokc10fe (Reply 18):
I would start learning about photoshop right away!!

Already a seasoned photoshop user, so that's no problem. I'm pretty good at 'fixing' pics, just no good at taking them. Hence the class, hence the new purchase.
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:34 am

Good choice. You will be pleased.
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:10 am

I would try it on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/8MP-CANON-REBEL-...ategoryZ107909QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

same camera, same lens, comes with a tripod, case, cleaning kit, and a 4GB memory card for $590.

Im thinking of buying this too, but I have 1 quetion first. If im new at photography would it be to hard to go to an SLR? I already own a point and shoot one its a Kodak C743, would the jump from this camera to the Rebel be to big?
 
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:22 am

Quoting Navymmw (Reply 22):
new at photography would it be to hard

Not at all, you still have all the auto your used too. The manual settings take some time to learn and is a combination of playing with it and reading what each function does.

I'm a noob and Ive had very little difficulty transitioning, my one little piece of advice is if there is a pic that you really want, take two pics one in full auto and the other in whatever manual setting you decide to try.

SLR's are a blast, enjoy.
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:27 am

One little thing, start your photography addiction 7 step program now and also start saving up for a lens or two.  Silly
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RE: Photographers, Recommend A Camera

Wed Jun 13, 2007 1:43 pm

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 3):
You can get a great bargain by getting the EOS300, which is now been discontinued. Its 6.3 Megapixel camera, but its a great camera for the money.

Why buy an old camera [EOS300] having many new options [much better] in the market ? I think is a waist of money.
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