shutterbug
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Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:42 pm

Hi guys.
I'm new here at the forum, but I've been around quite some time reading threads regarding what most of us like so much: aviation photography. I've been doing it since the mid-80's but never at a professional level, but after a while I retired and now since digital photography has taken over, I made a comeback. I have a couple of pics taken at SJU that I would like to get some feedback on how they look. Although I'm a graphic artist/photo retoucher for more than 10 years, from what I have seen here, it has been a whole new learning curve as to what can be done to a digital pic in post-processing. Some of the tricks I have read here I know, but others dont, which I think will come very handy in my edits. So, that being said, please take a look at my pic of one of the few tri-holers still making schedules visits to SJU. Thanks very much and keep the good shots coming.

PS: Hi Lanas, I hope you read this thread and have a look at it. Many Thanks.

Big version: Width: 1590 Height: 1032 File size: 1069kb
 
scottieprecord
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:55 pm

Welcome to Anet!

I'm still getting used to a new screen here, but from what I can tell, this photo has some excellent quality. The whites on the top of the fuselage are a bit bright, but not enough to warrant rejection. The only other thing is to warn you that uploading at 1600x is more challenging than the minimum 1024x, and I think this shot might be a tad soft for 1600x. If you have some trouble getting it accepted, resizing to 1024x should help a lot. Again, excellent shot, and welcome to Anet!

-Mike
 
coninpa
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:09 pm

Hi,
Welcome to the club!

Not an easy job to meet all criteria here (at least for me...  Smile) but this is what makes the value of this site.

My remarks:
- Few less space behind (or more in front) would be better (centre criteria)
- Heat haze around the gear might cause rejection.

Good luck !
Patrick
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eadster
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:32 pm

I'd try a smaller size for starters. At a smaller size may be 1100 - 1300px wide, the shot will look fantastic.

Be sure to keep within the required dimensions too.

Great shot.
 
shutterbug
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:36 pm

OK guys, I'll get to it and see what happens. Thanks so much for your input. And thanks for your criticism.

Quoting Eadster (Reply 3):
I'd try a smaller size for starters. At a smaller size may be 1100 - 1300px wide, the shot will look fantastic.

Will this affect quality when I resize it at this dimensions?
Any ways I'll be including the re-edit soon and other pics for you to evaluate.

Best regards to all of you.
 
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting Shutterbug (Reply 4):
Will this affect quality when I resize it at this dimensions?

When the photo is a smaller dimension, less detail can be visible, but this also means that it's harder for screeners to see any flaws in the photograph, so you have a better chance of getting it accepted.

-Mike
 
shutterbug
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:48 am

Hi Mike.
Just a question in regards to bringing the shot to a new width.

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 5):
When the photo is a smaller dimension, less detail can be visible, but this also means that it's harder for screeners to see any flaws in the photograph, so you have a better chance of getting it accepted.

Should I constraint the proportions, or leave the resolution as it is, and only change the width/height ratio? Because when you do that in PS, the image looses some quality. Is that what we are aiming to?

Thanks for your time.
Javier
 
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:08 pm

Quoting Shutterbug (Reply 6):
Should I constraint the proportions, or leave the resolution as it is, and only change the width/height ratio?

You'll be changing the resolution. The width/height ratio will remain 3/2, but the image size, as in the number of pixels, will be reduced, which technically worsens the quality. However, for this site, it's actually easier to get accepted that way. So, you'd change the image size from 1600x800 pixels to 1024x683 pixels. You don't have to... if you can get it accepted at 1600pixels wide, good work. It's just much more challenging to do so.

Hope that answered your question. =)

-Mike
 
shutterbug
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:04 am

Hi guys.

Here are 2 examples of the shot with the new dimensiosn, the first is at 1300pixels wide the second at 1024.
Big version: Width: 1300 Height: 844 File size: 814kb
Big version: Width: 1590 Height: 1032 File size: 1069kb


Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 7):
So, you'd change the image size from 1600x800 pixels to 1024x683 pixels.

Mike, when I resized it, it did not come up at 683pixels tall, just 667, because i did it keeping only the size ratio. I hope I did this right.

-Javier
 
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting Shutterbug (Reply 8):
I hope I did this right.

You didn't. The first shows up at 1300 wide, the second at 15 something.
 
shutterbug
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting JeffM (Reply 9):
You didn't. The first shows up at 1300 wide, the second at 15 something.

Well actually the first is at 1300 wide, and the second should be 1024. I did 2 settings to see which turns out best. I'm still lost. Can I place pics from PS detailing what am I doing, so you guys can help out?

Thanks.
 
Lanas
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:18 am

Javier

Welcome to the forum!  Smile

Your shot is very nice. You should try to upload at 1024 pixels, which will give you some advantages while taking the first steps. What you should also be careful with is the aspect ratio, that in your pics is over 1.5 (should be between 1.333 and 1.5).
I agree that you should crop tighter on the tail and that the heat haze around the nose gear might bring you some trouble. On a smaller size you can have that issue saved, maybe. Also beware of jaggies in your pic. I´m looking now at your 1300 px edit and you´ve got it a little oversharpened (jaggies on the titles, logo, nose contour, horizontal stabilizer and the lines on the tail livery).

Hope it helps.  bigthumbsup 

Cheers
Lanas.-
"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens." J.R.R. Tolkien
 
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:53 pm

Quoting Shutterbug (Reply 10):
Well actually the first is at 1300 wide, and the second should be 1024.

Nah, the second shot's more than 1024 pixels wide. Feel free to post screenshots from PS...
In PSelements, i click image>resize>image size, that brings up a box. At the top of the box is a section marked as "Pixel Dimension". In that box I change the pixel width from whatever it is originally to 1024. If the photo's a 3:2 ratio, it should be 1024x683.

Also, one more thing I hadn't noticed yet, I think there's a dust spot by the top of the frame, almost directly above the wingtip... you'll wanna clone that out.

Editing is a pain =)

-Mike
 
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:19 am

Well guys, now i'm really lost.


Quoting Lanas (Reply 11):
What you should also be careful with is the aspect ratio, that in your pics is over 1.5 (should be between 1.333 and 1.5).

This is my original file size.

Big version: Width: 491 Height: 381 File size: 83kb


Remember that I work in advertising, and perhaps what I think is the best in terms of quality for the different media, it is not for A.net, regarding this particualr shot. I'm working in inches, and my original dpior resolution regardless of the dimensions is 180 DPI. If i set it to 1024x683 size wise, do i leave the resolution(180) as it is, or what should be the best resolution in the 1024x683 size.

Thanks for your help.
 
DM
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:22 am

When setting for 1024 x 683 i ussually have it at 300 dpi
 
shutterbug
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting DM (Reply 14):
When setting for 1024 x 683 i ussually have it at 300 dpi

See, thats where I get confused. Should I start from the begining in that size, or work from the original camera file and then resize at those dimension, or open it up thru Camera Raw at a fixed resolution or work at whatever size I have now, create a new document at that 1024x683 300dpi size and drag a copy to it and export for upload?

Sorry for so many questions, but I'm trying to get the best advice as how to edit my pics, from the ones with the expertise.

Many thanks.
 
shutterbug
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:38 am

Well I did another edit,

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 683 File size: 532kb


Quoting Shutterbug (Reply 10):
I agree that you should crop tighter on the tail and that the heat haze around the nose gear might bring you some trouble.

Crop is a litle tighter at the tail,

Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 12):
Also, one more thing I hadn't noticed yet, I think there's a dust spot by the top of the frame, almost directly above the wingtip... you'll wanna clone that out.

I could not find the dust spot you see. I have a 15in monitor at home and a 22 TFT at work. Perhaps if you can point to where it is, could help, but honestly I dont see it.

I dont know if the heat haze could go by in this new edit. Anyways as always, feel free to comment.

Berst regards, Javier.
 
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:46 am

Quoting Shutterbug (Reply 15):
See, thats where I get confused

What i do is open up my photo editor (Adobe) and paste in my photo that i want to edit at the file size it was taken on the camera. Then i resize my pic to 1200 x 800 and 300dpi (in your case its 1024 x 683 and 300 dpi) and start editing, after i have finished all my editing i save and I'm done.

Edit: Why i say resize first is because when i used to edit my photos before i used to resize after i edited and if i had sharpened it would look really different at the new resolution

[Edited 2007-06-26 02:49:47]
 
shutterbug
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Tue Jun 26, 2007 9:59 am

Quoting DM (Reply 17):
Then i resize my pic to 1200 x 800 and 300dpi

Would pasting the original camera file to a 1200x800 at 300dpi file size be the same? And should I use this aspect ratio for my shot, or stick to the 1024x683?

Many, many thanks, Javier
 
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:03 am

I would just go ahead and stick with the 1024 x 683
 
shutterbug
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Tue Jun 26, 2007 10:55 am

Well, this brings another question, that perhaps the answer is more complex.
What would actually be a high quality pic for A.net standards?

Could sombody elaborate, or i'm another one asking this for the millionth time here at A.net?

Thanks.
 
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:12 am

Quoting Shutterbug (Reply 20):
What would actually be a high quality pic for A.net standards?

Pretty much the photos on the homepage.
 
Lanas
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:03 pm

Quoting Shutterbug (Reply 16):
Well I did another edit,

Very nice.  thumbsup  Quality is fine but beware with the jaggies I previously commented on:

Quoting Lanas (Reply 11):
Also beware of jaggies in your pic. I´m looking now at your 1300 px edit and you´ve got it a little oversharpened (jaggies on the titles, logo, nose contour, horizontal stabilizer and the lines on the tail livery).

Also some areas on the wing may be a bit soft but I don´t think they will cause you that much trouble.

Cheers  Smile
Lanas.-
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shutterbug
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting Lanas (Reply 22):
Quality is fine but beware with the jaggies I previously commented

Ok, I'll get to the jaggies and see how it turns out.

Best regards, Javier
 
coninpa
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:29 pm

Hi again,

IMO discussing about the number DPI is a non-sense for a photo decidated to be viewed on a screen. A screen only displays pixels. The number of DPI intervenes only for printing.

About when and how to resize, I have made some tests. Camera Raw seems to resize badly (introduces jaggies and artefacts). So do not play with with resizing in CR. In CR I use the cropping tool at 3:2 ratio and do a first rough cropping and levelling, letting some space around the plane for further adjustments in PS. Then I open the photo at its original size in PS and resize there.

Hope it helps.
Cheers
Patrick
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shutterbug
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:50 pm

Quoting Coninpa (Reply 24):
So do not play with with resizing in CR. In CR I use the cropping tool at 3:2 ratio and do a first rough cropping and levelling, letting some space around the plane for further adjustments in PS. Then I open the photo at its original size in PS and resize there.

Do you prepare a blank document at the 3:2 ratio (i.e. 1024x683) at what resolution and insert the original camera file? And then after you finish editing, do you save that same image without resizing as JPG using Save As or Save for Web command?

Thanks for info.
 
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:06 pm

Quoting Coninpa (Reply 24):
IMO discussing about the number DPI is a non-sense for a photo decidated to be viewed on a screen. A screen only displays pixels. The number of DPI intervenes only for printing.

Not exactly.... Screen resolution is measured in DPI as well. But I agree that there is no need to save your image at 300 DPI for uploading here, as normal screen resolution is 72-96 DPI.
 
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting JeffM (Reply 26):
Not exactly.... Screen resolution is measured in DPI as well

Is this correct Jeff? Surely it's only a printer that produces dots while a monitor and scanner produce pixels. Photoshop will always refer to an image as having pixels per inch /cm - ref the raw converter or Image Size menu.

DPI is the resolution of the printing device and seems to be often confused to describe digital resolution.

I'm happy to stand corrected but that's my understanding.

Garry
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coninpa
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RE: Seeking Some Advice On Photo Editing

Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:32 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 26):
Screen resolution is measured in DPI as well

Hi Jeff,

With all respect, I believe it does not matter on a screen. In Windows XP => Poperties => Settings => Advanced, the DPI parameter only affects the size of some character Fonts (I don't know about Mac). On the other side, in PS, when you use the resize command with the "Resample Image" box unchecked, you can change the number of DPI without the display being affected. Only the "Document size" (for printing) will change. That's what I think but I might have missed something...

Cheers
Patrick
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