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Messerschmitt Photo

Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:44 am

Hi all,

A simple question, does the glare in the cockpit canopy kill this Bf 109 for a.net? (It has been killed before Big grin )
http://www.horizonten.nl/pix/Bf109.jpg
I know a prop blade is blocked, but I think could get away with that.

Altenatively I have a close-up:
http://www.horizonten.nl/pix/Bf109-1.jpg

Both shots are unedited.

Thanks for your opinions as always,

Peter Smile
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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:28 pm

Hi Peter,

Very interesting photos. Any chance you can stand on that table near the nose and get a wide-angle shot? What's the story with the aircraft? I'm assuming that it's a full restoration, is the intent that it flies again?


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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:59 pm

Hi James.

Quoting Sulman (Reply 1):
Any chance you can stand on that table near the nose and get a wide-angle shot?

Not a bad idea, but I had little time left unfortunatley, and I'm not going back there soon.

Quoting Sulman (Reply 1):
What's the story with the aircraft?

It's under reconstruction in a small museum at Seppe airfield (EHSE) between Roosendaal and Breda, Netherlands.

It's said to be the world's only surviving Bf 109G-5 version, c/n 15343, built mid-1943 at Erla in Leipzig, 'Black 11', of 5. Staffel, II, Gruppe, JG 3 'Udet', based at Amsterdam - Schiphol and shot down by 487 FS P-47s on 4 Dec 1943 over South Holland province. The pilot, Kurt Sorssdorf, bailed out and was taken care of at a local farmhouse. The farmer's son was doing forced labour in Germany, and Sorssdorf later had an food package delivered to him.
The aircraft was written off; the tail was cut off and thrown in the crater dug by the aircraft, which was then filled up.

I don't think this reconstruction is to airworthy standards...

Here's another photo for you.
http://www.horizonten.nl/pix/Bf109-2.jpg

Does no one have an idea about the acceptability of the first shot?

Peter Smile
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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:14 am

Wow, Peter!
Interesting story! Make sure to add that story in the comments field!

I would certainly give it a try, with some editing (which you said you had not done yet), you can certainly reduce the glare a bit. I would certainly love to see it in the database, but I am not a screener... and I cannot judge anyway on the quality since my editing monitor is in repair...

PS: I assume you had no possibility to drag it outside for a better shot?  Smile

Best regards and good luck with the edit!

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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:28 am

It's in bloody good nick considering it bumped into the ground at sufficient speed to make a hole in it..I guess they've been working on it for a long time already!

If you can reduce the glare give it a go - it's certainly pretty interesting!


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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:00 am

Alright, this is my attempt:
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/Bf109-11-1ptr.jpg
Thanks for your feedback.

Quoting Sulman (Reply 4):
It's in bloody good nick considering it bumped into the ground at sufficient speed to make a hole in it..

We're essentially living in a swamp here Smile But I understand many structural parts are new, and bits from other Bf 109s are also involved.

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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:59 pm

It was allowed in, thanks all

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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:16 pm

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 6):
It was allowed in,

All I can say is 'wow'...I didn't think it had a chance.
 
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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting JeffM (Reply 7):
All I can say is 'wow'...I didn't think it had a chance.

Jeff
Based solely on quality, you would have been right in thinking that, mainly due to the flare around the cockpit However judgement calls have to be made based on the rarity of the subject and this one was a stunning subject and the first time to my knowledge that a photo of it has been seen.
A beautiful aircraft and a good story too - it had to be added didn't it ?

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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:59 am

Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 8):
A beautiful aircraft and a good story too - it had to be added didn't it ?

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... and now I would like to see the real thing as well!

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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting JeffM (Reply 7):
All I can say is 'wow'...I didn't think it had a chance.

Fair enough, Jeff - it is flawed. But for a first picture of an aircraft sitting in a dark hole it's apparently acceptable.

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 9):
... and now I would like to see the real thing as well!

http://www.luchtvaartmuseum.nl/bezoek.php?page=tijden.php&loc=1

So, Walter, let you be the one to shoot a good picture of it. Take your tripod, take your time to talk the clutter out of the way and take care with your flash if you use it at all.

I'll be back there near the Walterland border myself later

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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 10):
I'll be back there near the Walterland border myself later

 Smile  Smile

Thanks for the link, Peter! I was not even aware that there was an airstrip/museum in that area...  ashamed  ... and I pass Breda almost everyday when I drive to work...

I will certainly pay a visit there, someday!

Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 10):
So, Walter, let you be the one to shoot a good picture of it



I am not the best person to do that...I normally shoot soft/blurry/dark/motive pictures  Smile

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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 11):
soft/blurry/dark/motive

Nonesense!!! But dark will be the name of the game in this case, wouldn't it?  Wink

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RE: Messerschmitt Photo

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:13 am

Quoting SNATH (Reply 12):
Nonesense!!!

No, it is true! But the screeners do a great job with selecting the few that are worth to be shown  Smile

Greetings from Belgium,

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