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What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:46 pm

Hello screeners!
I would like to ask you about the computer monitor. Which monitor are you using to screen? LCD or CRT?

I have both LCD and CRT. I am trying to figure out. I use CRT to edit and upload photos. The photos look sharp while using CRT monitor. After you accepted some and I checked them with LCD monitor and I can see some are soft (which I assume you are using CRT) Some of them rejected due to soft (I assume you are using LCD) I checked them with CRT and they do not look soft.
So my question - some screeners use CRT and some use LCD which make different result while screening? Should are are you all using CRT only? Do you know what I mean? I am looking at both LCD and CRT. Photos look softer with LCD and they look sharp with CRT.

Just a thought to ask you a question.

Thank you!

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:54 pm

I have an LCD. I don't have space for a similar sized CRT.
In my experience, photos always looked softer on a CRT actually. Maybe I had a dodgy one...

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:07 pm

On the other hand. At specific photos, they look good with LCD and they look oversharped (jagged) while look at CRT. It is another question. Wonder how can they be avoided as all of us have 2 different monitors. Maybe it would be much easier and save all of us if we all are using one standard monitor. Would that be helpful?
One negative thing is not all of us have $$ to buy to meet all standard monitor.
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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:27 am

Quoting IL76 (Reply 1):
In my experience, photos always looked softer on a CRT actually.

Agree with Ed. I also think LCD renders slightly sharper images than CRT does.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting Scotland1979 (Reply 2):
It is another question. Wonder how can they be avoided as all of us have 2 different monitors. Maybe it would be much easier and save all of us if we all are using one standard monitor. Would that be helpful?
One negative thing is not all of us have $$ to buy to meet all standard monitor.

Frank, I don't think the difference between LCD and CRT is significant (yes, they're slightly different). I don't think that causes any problems that some of us are using CRT and others are using LCD. And for your "negative thing", I could let you know that my current monitors (by which I normally edit my shots as well as screening) are not too expensive at all. So, to me, it shouldn't matter as long as the monitor isn't a low-end product.  Wink

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:01 am

I think it is a reasonable question to ask though. I get many "soft" rejections and yet they look sharp, sometimes oversharpened on my LCD monitor. This means to get photos accpeted I effectively have to guess how much sharpening they need. Sometimes I get it get right, sometimes not.

If LCD and CRT sharpness is different and with the fine line between acceptance and rejection, I think it could make all the difference. If an image has been sharpened using an LCD monitor, I would suggest that screener A may accept the image if he views it with a similar screen. If screener B sees it with an CRT monitor he may reject it for being soft. Conversely, images edited on CRT monitors may be rejected for oversharpened.

Just my 2p (OK maybe 2.5p) worth

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:04 am

I agree Derek..

I use a CRT.

This may explain some very strange 'jaggy' rejects I've experienced lately.

Maybe some screeners won't agree, but it has to be said.

I think it does matter.


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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:13 am

LCD for me, though have never had experience of a CRT.
 
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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:18 am

Quoting Lennymuir (Reply 6):
This may explain some very strange 'jaggy' rejects I've experienced lately.

Hi Gerry

Would you like to show one or two examples? Even if normally I edit my photos on LCD's, I still have two CRT monitors and I would like to try to see if those rejections are strange.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:27 am

Clearly Glenn: a photo I upload for 'you' to screen (on my CRT)
will look differnet on your screen.

How will I know if a screener will have a CRT who can 'see what I see' as processed,
yet another, who only uses a LCD, will easlily spot 'jaggies'?

I can view my own photographs on both CRT and LCT, I can see a difference, naturally.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:30 am

Missed your post Hongyin, but I can post you a version on e-mail.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:32 am

Gerry

If possible, you could add one image to your profile and link it back to this thread. Or, maybe you could post one or two links of your rejected shot here.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting Bubbles (Reply 4):
So, to me, it shouldn't matter as long as the monitor isn't a low-end product.

I assume my LCD-screen was mid-range, but it failed after 3 years of usage (it is currently under investigation whether it can be repaired...), which is way too soon!

I guess it might be usefull to compare technical specs of the monitors (pixels-per-inch, contrast ratio (e.g. 700:1 - 2000:1), brightness (e.g. 300cd/m2), resolution (e.g. 1280x1024 - 1920-1200), response-time (e.g. 2ms - 8ms),...etc) that are considered adequate by their users.
Furthermore, I also think that the "performance" of a monitor is also dependant on the type of graphics/video-board used in the PC...

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:47 am

To the screeners... you've all gone soft, I asked this question a couple of years ago and was almost flamed off the forum and virtually accused of casing the screeners equipment to arrange a break in & robbery!!

Walter may have a point, The CRT v LCD question is likely not as important as the LCD v LCD question.
Getting the right LCD with the correct specs and operating it at it's native resolution and correct setup is important.
A 19' LCD with a 1280/1440 H res is not going to be as effective as one with 1920 or more.

This subject is too complex for a simple forum post but there are many good websites that will explain this.

Just remember because you can get a 19"/20" or larger monitor at a good price doesn't mean you should.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:49 am

I was under the impression that ALL screeners used correctly calibrated CRT monitors! As this changed recently?

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:53 am

Andy, I thought that too... the few screeners I know use CRT's..

If LCT's are now in 'vogue', I feel left behind...

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:55 am

LCDs are inherently sharper than CRTs because they have a fixed grid of pixels. CRTs are analog devices depending on wire grilles or shadowmasks to put pixels in their place. You do not have to worry about convergence errors on an LCD, for example.
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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:56 pm

I agree with the CRT vs LCD sharpeness thing. I also think that pictures on small sized but high res LCD screens (i.e. laptop screens or those small HD monitors) look sharper than on normal sized screens. It's a problem for me. As I get a lot of soft rejections lately which (I would say) look fine on my screen.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 3:59 pm

This thread brings up an important question of resolution.

I run on my laptop 1440x960 and on my desktops it is the same proportions but at about 1680x...

I find that when using these i have to view photos at at least 1200x800 to make accurate decisions about the image. So if a screener is running a 1920x... screen resolution how do they find viewing a 1024x683 image? This isnt a criticism i am just curious to find out if indeed you all run large resolutions or have it set at say 1200x800 for screening, etc.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:05 pm

Here are a few of mine that have been rejected for soft only.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r.../20070815_EGCC_060707_OHLKF_01.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r.../20070815_EGCC_060707_GBVKD_01.jpg

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...g/20070816_EGVA_130707_ZH827_2.jpg

They look OK to me on my monitor. The last one has some jaggies that I can see which would make me reluctant to sharpen it any more.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:17 pm

Hello Derek,

all you pictures look soft to me!
The finnair is completely soft.

The BMIbaby at the nose section, the upper fuselage and the leading edge of the vertical Stab (the Stab look a bit like you used the blur tool to cover some jaggies.. I am not saying that you did!). But the passenger windows and the titles for example are almost oversharpened. So be careful...

The same applies for the chopper.. nose is soft, while the upper part of the fuselage is almost oversharpened!

BTW I am using my notebook screen all the time for editing. 17" Widescreen LCD from ASUS and normally have no problem regarding sharpening...  bigthumbsup 

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:23 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 13):
The CRT v LCD question is likely not as important as the LCD v LCD question

Very true! LCD screens with TN technology are made for gaming not photo editing and will differ greatly from more expensive lCD screens.

Quoting DerekF (Reply 19):
They look OK to me on my monitor. The last one has some jaggies that I can see which would make me reluctant to sharpen it any more.

They do not look soft on my LCD nor my CRT that I use for screening (only very very slightly). In my experience it's best to oversharpen a little on LCDs in which case they usually look perfect on a CRT.

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 18):
I find that when using these i have to view photos at at least 1200x800 to make accurate decisions about the image. So if a screener is running a 1920x... screen resolution how do they find viewing a 1024x683 image? This isnt a criticism i am just curious to find out if indeed you all run large resolutions or have it set at say 1200x800 for screening, etc.

Chris I'm no expert on screens but LCDs run best on their native resolution. So if you have a screen made for 1920* and you set it at 1280* it's not gonna look good at all.

Quoting Ranger703 (Reply 14):
I was under the impression that ALL screeners used correctly calibrated CRT monitors! As this changed recently?

No screeners use both LCDs and CRTs.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 4:28 pm

Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 20):
all you pictures look soft to me!
The finnair is completely soft.



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 21):
They do not look soft on my LCD nor my CRT that I use for screening

What chance have I got now  Sad
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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 5:18 pm

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 18):
So if a screener is running a 1920x... screen resolution how do they find viewing a 1024x683 image

I'm running at 2560x1600, and I can judge smaller photos pretty well. But yes, since pixels are smaller, errors (like jaggies and especially grain!) is harder to spot on this screen. It was a big transition in the beginning (from a 1024x768 screen) and I'm still need getting used to it a little bit. It's also different editing my own shots, as they look so awesome at (almost) full size, resizing them to 1024 is often a bit disappointing, losing so much detail (I just realised how decadent that sounds...    ).
So far I don't think my screening changed very much after changing screens. As most photos are screened by 2 or 3 screeners, I can see the comment the other guys leave behind and almost always I can see the same issues they bring up (colour problems, jaggies, blurriness, etc.). So when it comes to that we're all quite close together. No probs there...

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:25 pm

Quoting IL76 (Reply 23):
I'm running at 2560x1600

Hi Ed, that is surely a massive screen-resoltion! This started me thinking again about my earlier remark:

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 12):
Furthermore, I also think that the "performance" of a monitor is also dependant on the type of graphics/video-board used in the PC...

I wonder if you have tried to hook up your screen to a less performing PC (i.e. with a less performing video-driver) to see what it does to the quality? I am just assuming that you also upgraded your PC when you started working with your new screen...

I think this will be valuable info for anyone who want to upgrade the screen, but at the same time sticking to an "old"-type of PC...

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:49 pm

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 24):
I wonder if you have tried to hook up your screen to a less performing PC (i.e. with a less performing video-driver) to see what it does to the quality? I am just assuming that you also upgraded your PC when you started working with your new screen...

No, I couldn't. This monitor needs a video card with 2x DVI. Not every computer can handle it. I had to upgrade my video card in order for this monitor to work.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:04 pm

Quoting IL76 (Reply 25):
Not every computer can handle it. I had to upgrade my video card in order for this monitor to work.

That's what I thought. Thanks for the feedback, Ed!

PS: I just received the news that by faulty screen could not - economically - be repaired...  Sad I will now start my search for a new one...

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 8:06 pm

Quoting DerekF (Reply 22):
What chance have I got now Sad

Maybe I am completely wrong here, but I had a closer look to your picture and did play a little bit with it (hope this is ok to you!) and I think it is not to soft at all, just some little parts. What I did is ad a little contrast with adjusting the curves and brighten it up a little and I added some selective sharpening with the sharpen tool in PS (which is in fact also nothing else than adding some more contrast to those areas; I marked those areas red...)
Tho it is not significantly more sharpened, it is looking more sharp than before. At least on my monitor and in my opinion (and it is maybe a bit to bright, I know but I just want to show the effect...)

What I am trying to say is that the perception of how sharp the image is depends a lot on the contrast between the borders... the more contrast, the more sharp it appears.

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 699 File size: 464kb


So maybe it is not the monitor itself that makes your pictures appear ok or soft, maybe the settings for contrast and brightness are not set completely perfect... I don't know if Tim would agree here as he said that your pictures are not soft, but that are just my  twocents  and my opinion...

Hope this helps a bit!  bigthumbsup 

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 10:31 pm

I would agree they look better now

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:20 pm

I see what you did and I agree it is better but my point is that the pictures looked fine on my monitor, whatever the settings. I have to say I generally don't go to those lengths unless the picture is worth it but thanks anyway.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:30 pm

Hello,

I don,t want to be smart but I would say that no screeners should use LCD - TN panel monitor for screening. The TN-panel has a fast respons but it affect not only the sharpness of an image but the contrast as well. Pictures on TN panels don,t look near as they are in reality.

"Picking the panel
TN panel - fast response, 6 bit colors, BAD for photo processing. It has only 226,000 odd colors and it simulates the other 16.7 m colors. Don’t touch it with a 10 feet pole for photo editing. Trust me on that. I bought a Samsung 204B and without running any tests, I could see banding in the color gradients. Opening up a standard test chart tells the truth.
S-IPS - probably the best for photo editing, 8 bit per channel. True 16.7 m colors, great for photo editing, but slow response times. Usually the monitor is $150-$200 more than a comparative TN panel.
S-PVA - opinion is split on how good S-PVA is. Some argue [quoting websites written in 2004 that S-IPS rules]. However, the rolls royce of LCD monitors, Eizo uses S-PVA. "

This is the link to the entire review for Buying an LCD monitor for photo editing

Recently I bought the Samsung 215TW S-pva Panel and it comes with natural color calibration tool. I had lots of soft rejections after using this monitor, obviously they were screened on a TN or PVA pannel. I did oversharpen them ( on my monitor ) so lots of them got through, but some of them got rejected for oversharpening and that means there is something to do with the diffrence of the pannels creeners use. I used the same amount of sharpening for those particular pictures. I had some problems with contrast as well, but looking at the picture on my laptop TN panel, yes they look BAD... Smile Now, I am trying to find a way of getting them right for the web meaning just a bit oversharpen and less contrast + saturation.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:02 am

Quoting Alexandru (Reply 30):
I had lots of soft rejections after using this monitor, obviously they were screened on a TN or PVA pannel.

Most screeners use a CRT and the ones I know that do use TFT have an S-PVA (as do I but I still use a CRT for screening). If you show some examples we can liven the discussion a bit.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:14 am

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 31):
If you show some examples we can liven the discussion a bit.

Hello Tim,

Thank you for replying. I am not mad about rejection. If all the screeners use CRT,s and S-PVA or S-IPS calibrated than this is it. It is up to the screener eye and percepsion of soft, sharpness, contrast etc. It is important to procces pictures on the right monitor and I find those information posted useful and wanted to share it with everyone. I would like to make a suggestion. If someone ( screeners or the administrators of site ) can post a "sample picture " I mean well processed regarding sharpness and contrast then everyone can look at it on their own monitors and find the amount of sharpening and contrast level used. If that can be taken as standard than everyone should know how to go on their pictures and keep it close to that sample.

Well, please excuse my english I hope you all understand the ideea. I might be wrong on my thinking but it would be great if someone can come up with something to make clear to everyone what is sharp, what is soft, level of contrast so the photographers can have a refrence for their particula monitors.

Tim, I give you the requested samples they look ok on my monitor, again I might be wrong.


soft:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20070823_Dublin_Airport_13_04_07_47.JPG

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20070819_Dublin_Airport_13_04_07_31.JPG


contrast:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20070822_Dublin_Airport_13_04_07_54.JPG


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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:43 am

DerekF
I checked your photos on my both monitors (LCD and CRT). Yours look soft with my LCD and they look perfect with my CRT. It will be debated for most of us. It is not a negavtive thing. It is we re trying to get better benefits and save our times and screeners time for ANet.

I think the monitors issues will be issued for long time. So we move forward and try our best.
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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:55 am

First one has a slightly soft nose.

Second one looks good as does the third one but they are a bit flat I would have to say.

'Screened' on my CRT, on my LCD they looks better but also slightly flat.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:50 am

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 21):
Chris I'm no expert on screens but LCDs run best on their native resolution. So if you have a screen made for 1920* and you set it at 1280* it's not gonna look good at all.

I run mine at their native and maximum resolution and i have also heard that this is when they perform their best.

What i find hard on mine is what Eduard brought up. If my screen is at 1920x.... then i find it a lot harder to sharpen a photo when i have resized it to 1024* as it becomes a lot harder to detect fine detail when the image is taking up such a small part of the actual pixels displayed.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:12 am

I'm a graphic designer and look at my monitor all day long. I have a new computer both at home and work and they have LCD monitors that are not cheap. Being in the graphic business you look at your monitor all day long and the LCD monitor is much harder on the eyes for sure.

When I'm editing photos I definately use a CRT (calibrated) monitor. I find that even though I have calibrated my LCD monitor so that my editing of photos should be accurate, it just doesn't do the job.

At home I have put my LCD monitor back into it's box and only use my CRT monitor.

Just my 2cents...

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:34 am

I had started a similar thread when I bought my LCD monitor. I asked about resolution optimal for an anet shot( i guess it would vary on the size of the image also eg.1024x768 or 1600x1200 etc).
In the end I think I had asked for an Accepted Anet shot that can be used as reference for sharpness etc.(please don't say any anet shot, one should be a reference say for a 1024x768 shot etc)

Any ways I am back to my CRT for editing since my LG LCD monitor is good and it makes a really crappy shot look good and a soft shot as sharp(but it does have sharpness settings that can be varied, still not confident enough).
 
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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:01 pm

Quoting Vaporlock (Reply 36):
When I'm editing photos I definately use a CRT (calibrated) monitor.



Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 37):
Any ways I am back to my CRT for editing

Do you ever get "oversharpened" rejections?
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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:50 pm

Quoting Chris78cpr (Reply 35):
'Screened' on my CRT, on my LCD they looks better but also slightly flat.



Hello Tim,

When referring of "flat" you ment depth of field? I am using f8 or higher. Is " flat" a rejection category for a.net? If there is something wrong with those picture involving "flat" I am happy to correct them one I know what it means.

I would appreciate if you give us more info on the matter. Thank You.

Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 37):
In the end I think I had asked for an Accepted Anet shot that can be used as reference for sharpness etc.(please don't say any anet shot, one should be a reference say for a 1024x768 shot etc)

Totally Agree. Is everyone Else in it? Once we have a reference as mentioned above then it will be less questions asked about those rejection categories. Then we know the rejection was not based on technical fault it is just screeners opinion and perception of sharpening and contrast for that particular picture. I know it is hard to keep everyone happy but I believe this would make some light in this technical issues.

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:00 pm

My photos often rejected due to soft which I used CRT (perfect sharp monitor) and obviously they used LCD to screen.
And other time I used LCD and to keep photos look good and rejected due to oversharpened which mean they used CRT to screen. After rejected, I checked with CRT and yeah they look oversharpened because LCD doesn't show. Just like the above statements. So which one should I use? CRT or LCD. With CRT, the photos are impossible to reject til they use different monitors to screen.

What can I say? nothing...

p.s. - I use CRT to screen at other website so I can't say that they are soft which save photographers' time to edit and upload. So I hope you do the same
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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:00 pm

By flat I mean lacking contrast, they seem a little 'washed out'

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:27 pm

Quoting Scotland1979 (Reply 40):
My photos often rejected due to soft which I used CRT (perfect sharp monitor) and obviously they used LCD to screen.
And other time I used LCD and to keep photos look good and rejected due to oversharpened which mean they used CRT to screen. After rejected, I checked with CRT and yeah they look oversharpened because LCD doesn't show. Just like the above statements.

My experience appears to be the reverse of yours. I always edit on a TFT monitor and the rejections are for soft and if I understand correctly.

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 31):
Most screeners use a CRT

This could be the reason.

I very rarely get oversharpened rejections (screened on another LCD monitor perhaps?)

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:42 pm

Quoting Vaporlock (Reply 36):
I'm a graphic designer and look at my monitor all day long. I have a new computer both at home and work and they have LCD monitors that are not cheap.

They must be cheap if your CRT beats them... if you're a GFX designer then im sure you've heard of Eizo, or LaCie... Get one, and live happily  Wink
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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:54 pm

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Being in the graphic business you look at your monitor all day long and the LCD monitor is much harder on the eyes for sure.

This is bogus, the fixed pixel nature of an LCD combined with no flicker actually makes them easier on your eyes. What's your ambient light siutation and what level do you have your backlight set?

I work in the print industry and suffice to say that quality panels (Apple displays, Eizo, LaCie, high-end Samsung-based panels) are no more off than old tube monitors.

You'll pry my LaCie electronblue tube monitor out of my dead hands (five years old and still strong on brightness, contrast, and low convergence errors) but my next monitor will definitely be a flat panel when that one gives up the ghost.
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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:55 pm

Hello,

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 41):
By flat I mean lacking contrast, they seem a little 'washed out'

I am just concerned about the levele of contrast you mentioned. On my monitor they look ok for me it could be the diffrence between our monitors. Can I sent you the original files so you can set the contrast according with your monitor? Let,s take that picture as a sample as mentioned in my previous post then I will check the leveles on my monitor so I can take some conclusions. Then everyone could make the diffrence between those pictures on their own monitors. Still I think there is an issue with the diffrece between monitors.

Again On My Monitor ( samsung 215 TW calibrated ) those pictures look ok on contrast.

Does anyone can check the contrast of those pictures on theirs?

Appriciate any views on this.

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 43):
They must be cheap if your CRT beats them... if you're a GFX designer then im sure you've heard of Eizo, or LaCie... Get one, and live happily

100% with you!

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RE: What Monitors Are Screeners Use?

Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting Alexandru (Reply 45):
Still I think there is an issue with the diffrece between monitors.

That is true I think. How about a process whereby a potential "soft" or "oversharpen" rejection is checked on a LCD or CRT monitor as appropriate?.

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