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Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:28 am

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Canon announced the development of two all-new telephoto lenses for use with its EOS SLR cameras: the EF200mm f/2L IS USM*/** and the EF800mm f/5.6L IS USM*/**. The Company will exhibit prototypes of the new lenses at PhotoPlus Expo (booth #318), taking place at the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center in New York City, October 18 to 20.

The new Canon EF200mm f/2L IS USM and EF800mm f/5.6L IS USM, both of which are L (luxury)-series lenses incorporating a high-performance Image Stabilizer, feature optical systems utilizing special optical materials such as fluorite to correct chromatic aberrations, making possible high-resolution, high-contrast shooting performance.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/canon/canon2002.jpg

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The Canon EF200mm f/2L IS USM, targeting users who seek a brighter lens for portraiture and indoor sports photography, realizes a large aperture of f/2. The EF800mm f/5.6L IS USM, expected to deliver telephoto performance surpassing the current top-of-the-line EF600mm f/4L IS USM super telephoto lens, is being developed in response to requests from users working in the fields of sports and news photography who are looking for a high-performance lens that offers a longer focal length.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/canon/canon80056.jpg

Strange though that they discontinued the 200m/f1.8 only to then come with a 200mm/f2. The old one may not have has IS, but still...

800mm will be cool for the moon-shooting guys  Smile
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:01 am

Yeah I said in another thread that with a 2X and that baby, you have a 1600mm f/11 telescope! Rock on!
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:15 am

Or a 2560mm telescope on a CANON "D"...  Wink

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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:09 pm

You'd need some sort of Antonov to cart that 800mm thing around with you........

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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:23 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Thread starter):
Strange though that they discontinued the 200m/f1.8 only to then come with a 200mm/f2. The old one may not have has IS, but still...

Hey - 1/3 of a stop to add IS elements. Is that bad or what? f/1.8 with IS would be much more difficult to manufacture.

And of course, Canon made those lenses 'cause Nikon makes 200mm f/2 and 800mm f/5.6 and Canon did not - before.  Wink

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 3):
You'd need some sort of Antonov to cart that 800mm thing around with you........

It's the same size as the 600mm f/4 IS so I guess it'll be similarly weighed. It means you only need Suresh.  Silly
 
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:45 pm

Nice as I said in another thread.... and a good answer for a posting: "My budget is $9000, which lens should i get?"  Embarrassment
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:28 pm

Quoting INNflight (Reply 5):
"My budget is $9000, which lens should i get?"

None. Give me half Big grin
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 6):
None. Give me half Big grin

half??? give me all  Silly
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:37 pm

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 4):
And of course, Canon made those lenses 'cause Nikon makes 200mm f/2 and 800mm f/5.6 and Canon did not - before.

Well then why doesn't Canon make the 18-200 IS? It would be guaranteed massive seller! And then I can at least get rid of my Sigma...
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:40 pm

with an 800 and a 2x you'd be able to read the screens in the cockpit
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:46 pm

Ultra-long lenses have their drawbacks, as anyone who owns them knows. Atmospheric effects start taking their toll the farther away from a subject you are, and your handling of the lens itself becomes critical. Buying an 800mm monster is no guarantee of getting a sharp image if you're still fairly far away...

As far as the discontinuation of the 200mm f/1.8, it's possible that the old lens design had now-banned materials used in its construction (See Europe's new regulations against certain substances) and the 200mm f/2 has a new optical design that doesn't need these elements.
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:59 pm

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 10):
As far as the discontinuation of the 200mm f/1.8, it's possible that the old lens design had now-banned materials used in its construction

Nope Dan, the 200 1.8L was discontinued simply because it did not sell enough to justify further production. This was 5 or 6 years ago already I believe. They claim that the main problem was that simply the market was not as big, and now with the DSLR's selling better than ever before I'm sure they'll sell very well.
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:44 pm

Quoting INNflight (Reply 11):

Nope Dan, the 200 1.8L was discontinued simply because it did not sell enough to justify further production. This was 5 or 6 years ago already I believe. They claim that the main problem was that simply the market was not as big, and now with the DSLR's selling better than ever before I'm sure they'll sell very well.

I was just speculating, as this was the fate of some old lenses (hence the it's possible).
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:23 pm

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 8):
Well then why doesn't Canon make the 18-200 IS? It would be guaranteed massive seller! And then I can at least get rid of my Sigma...

They for sure have some prototypes... we'll see when they'll be announced.  Smile

200-400 f/4L IS is something I'd like, whatever it'd cost. Big grin
 
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:23 am

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 13):
200-400 f/4L IS is something I'd like, whatever it'd cost. Big grin

same thing here, Nikon has it so it would be possible for Canon. Question is, where do I get the money...
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:41 pm

Quoting JRadier (Reply 14):
Question is, where do I get the money...

Same here  Sad I guess Canon will be sooner with new developments than me finding an answer to this question  Smile

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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:58 pm

Quoting JRadier (Reply 14):
Question is, where do I get the money...

Can't be it'll cost that much, Jurgen... you just take some nice shots and sell them and work a bit. Big grin
 
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:30 pm

I'd like to add some spice to that discussion:

This is something I picked up today while finalizing a deal with my local pro shop:

According to a Canon Rep the 600mm f4 will be discontinued and the 800mm f5.6 will be it's successor ....quite an interesting approach if it is true....

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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:58 pm

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 17):
According to a Canon Rep the 600mm f4 will be discontinued and the 800mm f5.6 will be it's successor ....quite an interesting approach if it is true....

LOL. Replace the 600mm with the 800mm? That doesn't make much sense to me.
 
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:34 pm

600 is very close to the 500, and perhaps after doing research, they realized people used the 600 with 1.4x most of the time? Makes sense to me. 100mm difference over the 500 is very little, especially when it's so much heavier (the 600).

edit: typo

[Edited 2007-10-17 11:35:43]
 
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:44 pm

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 18):
Replace the 600mm with the 800mm? That doesn't make much sense to me.

A statement I can't find in the press report either.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/07101601canonteles.asp
But I guess the Canon rep knows what he is talking about.

What is the point of the image stabilizer on the 800 anyway ?
The 600 is close to 5.5kg already and I expect the 800 to be 1 kilo or so heavier which will restrict hand held use quite a lot and the stabilizer doesn't work on a tripod so............. or did they find a way to solve the problem ?

Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 15):
I guess Canon will be sooner with new developments than me finding an answer to this question

And if you do find an answer better have a look at this first......... 300-800/5.6  Smile
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:50 pm

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 20):

A statement I can't find in the press report either.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0710/canon/supertelegroup.jpg

The EF800mm f/5.6L IS USM, expected to deliver telephoto performance surpassing the current top-of-the-line EF600mm f/4L IS USM

And the 600 is still pictured here. Just a quick note...SURPASSING does not mean REPLACING.

I guess we will have to wait and see.

[Edited 2007-10-17 11:52:46]
 
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:11 pm

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 21):
Just a quick note...SURPASSING does not mean REPLACING.

Yes....... that's why I said I could not find the statement it would be replaced.

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (Reply 21):
I guess we will have to wait and see.

I am not waiting for a 600 let alone a 800 Big grin
Still I think Canon will keep both available.
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:16 pm

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 22):
Yes....... that's why I said I could not find the statement it would be replaced.

I wasn't referring to you, but, the Canon rep. My apologies.
 
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:10 pm

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 20):
The 600 is close to 5.5kg already and I expect the 800 to be 1 kilo or so heavier

Not sure anymore where I read this, I think on the Canon POTN forums, but I recall having read that the 800mm will be as heavy as the 600.
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Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:17 pm

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 16):
Can't be it'll cost that much, Jurgen... you just take some nice shots and sell them and work a bit. Big grin

€5000+ for the Nikon, so I expect around €5000 for the canon if they ever make it still is a shitload of money where I come from  Wink.
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:48 am

I would rather own a 400mm and a 800mm than a 400mm and a 600mm.

That combo would be more useful for me than the latter because when i use my 600mm, I could also use the 800mm for the same job as well and be even closer. The 600mm is to big for hte 400mm stuff. So i could have more seperation in the ranges and more overall range in my lens lineup.
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 26):
but isn't "Jurgen Radier Photography" having enough to do?

damn, someone actually took a look at my website?  Silly
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Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:34 pm

Quoting IL76 (Reply 19):
nd perhaps after doing research, they realized people used the 600 with 1.4x most of the time? Makes sense to me. 100mm difference over the 500 is very little, especially when it's so much heavier (the 600).

That is exactly the point and the explanation that guy gave me.....lot's of photographers do want the extra focal length.
If they discontinue the 600mm f4....we"ll see.

This is just speculation, but since the 1200mm f5.6 is no longer available / being produced....they were looking for a product which closes the gap.

Vasco

p.s. I'd be interested in the specs (pricing and weight) and what Nikon has to say.........(it took them years to finally equip their telephoto lenses with VR........!
 
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:08 pm

Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 31):

This is just speculation, but since the 1200mm f5.6 is no longer available / being produced....they were looking for a product which closes the gap.

Isn't it? I believe it always was made-to-order.
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:21 pm

Quoting Aero145 (Reply 33):

Your pics are really good! Smile

Ok, I sort of believed you when you said you saw my website, but now I really know you're taking a piss at me  Wink. Come on, anyone liking my photos???  Wink.

Thanks tho!
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:06 pm

Quoting JRadier (Reply 35):
Ok, I sort of believed you when you said you saw my website, but now I really know you're taking a piss at me  .

What's this? Your photos really are fine!

Quoting JRadier (Reply 35):
Thanks tho!

 

Quoting JRadier (Reply 32):
Isn't it? I believe it always was made-to-order.

It was, from 1993-2005. No more.

[Edited 2007-10-18 15:09:19]
 
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:03 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 30):
Come on, anyone liking my photos???

Oh my.....NOPE!  covereyes 
Except for the black and white one in your profile...who took it? Must be a gifted photographer.
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Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:07 am

Quoting INNflight (Reply 32):
Except for the black and white one in your profile...who took it?

Can't remember. How about we discuss it in INN first weekend of 2008  Wink.

Quoting INNflight (Reply 32):
Must be a gifted photographer.

Nah!
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:38 pm

I am perfectly happy with my 600 F4 and my new 2x teleconverter. 1200 F8...
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RE: Canon Announces 800mm/f5.6 And 200mm/f2

Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:23 pm

Quoting Tappan (Reply 34):
I am perfectly happy with my 600 F4 and my new 2x teleconverter. 1200 F8...

Very nice setup Mr. Garfinkel aka Mr. "I am waiting for an A346 and 744 crossing the full moon at night"

Your pictures are awesome........you are da man!!!!!!!!

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