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Are These Acceptable?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:08 pm

Rejection after rejection...I haven't uploaded these as of yet...tired of "loosing" time on attempts. If you click on the small photos (at least from photo nº 2 to nº 5) a bigger one will open. I have them bigger though. Please critique all you can (at least the aircraft ones)...I made them with a Canon 350D (or Rebel XT for Americans and Canadians).
I have a lot of shots more of trips below that "post", so feel free to look at the rest of the blog.

Thanks in advance!  Smile

http://www.andersviking.blogspot.com/

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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:34 pm

A lot of them look way over sharpened to me but they are also quite big so maybe just reduce the size without so much sharpening. I dont know much about screening but i could see a lot of jaggies.

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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:38 pm

Yes, I agree that oversharpening is a large problem in many of these photos. The primary reason probably is your inexperience with editing. Also, in many of the photos from your most recent trip, the aircraft are backlit, which is pretty much an immediate rejection.

It was interesting viewing your blog, as I've just purchased a 350D. Do you have any originals you can post? I can try an edit for you, plus I'd like to see what the Rebel can do!  Smile
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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:44 pm

I agree that some are "Sharpened" as Canon gives a soft picture, too soft for A.net. I am sure pro's will agree with that.

DeltaAVL, send me your e-mail in a comment-in the blog (I won't post it in the page but it'll arrive to me anyway) -if you want to. I'll send you my original.

Thanks you two for the comments!

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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:43 am

Hi guys,

I've reworked Airbus340's original. Does it stand a chance in the queue?

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/future787pilot/B-HUEwjmossEDIT.jpg

Any comments are greatly appreciated.  Smile
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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:16 am

there are some strange things going on at the edges of the wing and tail....
It looks like you were trying to erase jaggies on a layer with a white background or something?
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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:25 am



Quoting LOCsta (Reply 5):
there are some strange things going on at the edges of the wing and tail....

Looks like you magic wand tooled it and tried brightening it? Odd looking...

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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:09 am

Cool blog, I enjoyed it  thumbsup 

Quoting Airbus340 (Thread starter):
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http://www.andersviking.blogspot.com/

Your Cathay photo (B-HUE) looks great to me. I'm sure if you downsized it to 1024 x 683 (rather than 1600 pixels, which it is now) & cropped the image tighter to the subject, it should have a much better chance of getting into the database. scratchchin 

 checkmark If you use Photoshop CS2/3 (or similar program) to edit, it may also be very helpful to sharpen using the unsharp mask tool. Best of luck, I look foward to seeing it online. optimist 

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 4):
I've reworked Airbus340's original. Does it stand a chance in the queue?

Not too likely I'd say. There's no need to "dodge tool" the tail & exhaust ports that much. It looks very unusual to me. The crop is ideal though..  duck  twocents 

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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:50 pm

Delta AVL,

As I said before thanks so much for your hard work...the bad thing is, I don't have photoshop...but I have "The Gimp". Is it possible to edit well with that program?

Quoting AviatorG (Reply 7):
Your Cathay photo (B-HUE) looks great to me. I'm sure if you downsized it to 1024 x 683 (rather than 1600 pixels, which it is now) & cropped the image tighter to the subject, it should have a much better chance of getting into the database. scratchchin

I know that at least I have to crop the images...that is a MUST. About the editing...it still remains a mistery to me on how A.net wants it done. Again...would "The GIMP" do the job?

Quoting AviatorG (Reply 7):
Best of luck, I look foward to seeing it online. optimist

Thanks for the wishes...It will be a millestone IF it does make it there...I've tried so many times...I am just pessimistic about it. Mind you, I never said my shot was a bad one at all. I love my shots and glad to know that other people (that don't have a "mistake-scanning eye") also do. I know that if Pro's want to find a mistake on them, they surely will...but after all, who cares? It's a plane shot that I love and made many more in FRA that day. If A.net won't want them, I'll have them!  Smile
 
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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:56 pm

Photoshop CS3 made a huge impact on my acceptance ratio, after years of PS7. Smart Sharpen and the new downsampling algorithms make a huge difference.

Just some food for thought.
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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:00 pm



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 9):
Photoshop CS3 made a huge impact on my acceptance ratio, after years of PS7. Smart Sharpen and the new downsampling algorithms make a huge difference.

Just some food for thought.

How much can it cost? It does sound expensive...  scared 
 
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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:28 pm



Quoting Airbus340 (Reply 8):
Delta AVL,

As I said before thanks so much for your hard work...the bad thing is, I don't have photoshop...but I have "The Gimp". Is it possible to edit well with that program?

Hi, sorry I didn't reply to your reply email - I've been terribly busy.  Smile

I know there are some photographers on the boards that do use Gimp, and I'm sure they could provide more insight. As far as I know, Gimp can do many things that Photoshop can do, but there are some restrictions. Others could tell you more about the program, I'm sure.

Quoting LOCsta (Reply 5):
there are some strange things going on at the edges of the wing and tail....
It looks like you were trying to erase jaggies on a layer with a white background or something?



Quoting DM (Reply 6):
Looks like you magic wand tooled it and tried brightening it? Odd looking...



Quoting AviatorG (Reply 7):
Not too likely I'd say. There's no need to "dodge tool" the tail & exhaust ports that much. It looks very unusual to me.

Oh jeez, I didn't even see that after editing. This is what caused it: I used the "lasso" tool to select only the aircraft. I brightened, adjusted colors/contrast/sharpening/levels, and then adjusted the same things in the background, separately. I must not have been careful enough when selecting with the lasso tool.  Sad

I'll give it another try in a few minutes.
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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:16 am



Quoting Airbus340 (Reply 10):
How much can it cost? It does sound expensive...

Very spendy unfortunately. But I got upgrade price so it was much less.

Considering I tend to buy one copy of Photoshop every four years... it evens out over time.

My real problem in the past was bad downrezzing. Adobe Lightroom does a terrible job and PS7 wasn't much better. Exporting fullsize to PS CS3 and downsampling there even with normal bicubic preserves details much better and leaves less artifacts. Check it out. Note that neither of these images have any Photoshop sharpening applied.

http://homepage.mac.com/kefkafloyd/.Pictures/daigp_lr.jpg (exported at finished size in Lightroom, edited in PS7, and rejected for oversharpened)

http://homepage.mac.com/kefkafloyd/.Pictures/daigp_cs3.jpg (exported full size from Lightroom, downsized in photoshop CS3, eventua)

Look inside the stabilizer. You can clearly see artifacts introduced from LR's export to TIFF (which I would then selectively sharpen in PS). CS3 has none of these. I was essentially working behind the eight-ball for many months until I realized this was going on (it's very, very obvious on high contrast LCD monitors, not so obvious on tubes).

This is just a quick example of making sure your programs aren't hindering your work.
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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 11):

I'll give it another try in a few minutes.

Here's my new edit. I got rid of the halo-looking things and got rid of the slight overexposure on the 747 fuselage. This time I think it might have a chance at the database. Opinions?

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j214/future787pilot/B-HUEwjmossEDIT2.jpg


Airbus340, I'm so happy to help you with this, and you should know that I'm thoroughly enjoying working with this photo! Basically, what I did with this picture was:
  1. Crop the photo to A.net standards.
  2. Resized the photo to 1024 px wide.
  3. Adjusted contrast, color, sharpening, and levels on the 747. I selected just the 747 using the lasso and magic wand tools.
  4. Adjusted contrast, color, and levels on the background. I didn't bother with sharpening because it doesn't matter if the backgound's soft or not. I selected just the background using the same methods as used on the 747.
I'd just start playing around with Gimp, and start tweaking some of your photos. Just get the feel of the program. As said above, Photoshop is better (I'm using Photoshop CS), but you can certainly get acceptable results from such programs as Gimp.

Hope this helps!

[Edited 2007-11-30 17:38:28]
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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:31 am

Thanks Dvincent for your explanations and examples!

Delta AVL, You are amazing! look at that! a perfect picture -I must say much better now!- Thank so much for your tutorial on how you did it! You bet it helps.  Smile

If you want to (you don't have to "bother" any more as I imagine you are a very busy man), but if you do, I can send you more shots of last Saturday when I was in FRA.

Quoting AviatorG (Reply 7):
Cool blog, I enjoyed it thumbsup

Thanks!, I'm glad you did...!
 
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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:04 am



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 15):

Just bumping this thread to the top since it wasn't automatically bumped after my previous reply.  Yeah sure
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RE: Are These Acceptable?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:46 pm



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 16):
Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 15):

Just bumping this thread to the top since it wasn't automatically bumped after my previous reply. Yeah sure

Haha...that's funny...

OK I'll send you the EK one...but I have like 15 of them...I guess I'll send you small ones to see witch one you like best...

Cheers!

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