KLM772ER
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Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:05 pm

Hello!

I just browsed through some old shots again and found this one:

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/OO-DLVenghaus1.jpg

I know, I tried to upload it in summer but it was rejected for grainy, soft and oversharpened, but now with enhanced editing technics I got a lot better result!

The shot was taken when it was almost complete dark, but this way creating a nice effect with the tail and the engine illuminated.
What do you think does the current version stand a chance or is it still to grainy/soft/oversharpened or anything else?

Cheers
Bjorn
 
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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:28 pm

Hi Bjorn

This image is actually blurry, I think. It will be quite hard to make it acceptable.

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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:36 am



Quoting Bubbles (Reply 1):
This image is actually blurry, I think. It will be quite hard to make it acceptable.

Thanks Hongyin,

but I think it is probably a result of using noise reduction in this case as the original is not blurry..
I will remove it from the queue, but probably give it another try and post the result here if I find time today, as I see it as a challenge making this one acceptable  Wink
and I think it is possible, and if not, at least I had fun in trying  Wink

Cheers
bjorn
 
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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:00 pm

Hi Bjorn,

Nice one! I think you're right with

Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 2):
it is probably a result of using noise reduction

When overdone, it makes pictures look blurry and soft, as it tends to remove too many pixels from the 'edges' of high contrast areas (for example, around the fuselage of a silhouette shot), thus leaving that impression. If the original is not blurry, maybe you can try another edit and post it here for discussion?
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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:56 pm

In my opinion...for dusk/night shots either you use ISO 800/1600 (Very grainy) or you'll have a blurred photo...any help on how to take a fast action at night or dusk?

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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:04 pm

Quoting Airbus340 (Reply 4):
In my opinion...for dusk/night shots either you use ISO 800/1600 (Very grainy) or you'll have a blurred photo...any help on how to take a fast action at night or dusk?

Have a very staid hand and do some good panning


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Photo © Bjoern Venghaus



shots of moving planes at complete night are probably "almost" impossible...

cheers
bjorn

[Edited 2007-11-29 11:07:13]
 
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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:08 pm



Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 5):
Have a very staid hand and do some good panning Wink


What a great shot! What ISO did you use?
 
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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:50 pm

Here is the new version.. I think it is a bit sharper regarding the fuselage but thus for maybe a little more grainy at the DHL logo and the engine.. don't know if it is acceptable...
What do you think?
Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 683 File size: 313kb

BTW What Reg. should I upload it as I was not able to get it in the dark??
I know that it is OO-DL* would this be ok?

Airbus340, the LH MD11 was taken at ISO250  Wink

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Bjorn
 
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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:55 pm



Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 7):
What do you think?

I still think it's soft.

Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 7):
I know that it is OO-DL* would this be ok?

Yes.

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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:00 pm



Quoting Bubbles (Reply 8):
I still think it's soft.

Which part exactly do you mean, as I am careful with sharpening these kind of pictures as I most time got a oversharpened rejection for them..  Wink
But what about the grain, would this still be ok or?

thanks
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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:05 pm

Hi Bjorn

Would you mind sending me the original shot? I would like to take a look.

Email address: bubbles@airliners.net.

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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:27 pm

you have got mail Hongyin  Wink

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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:45 am

Hi Bjorn

Just like I said previously, the plane is blurry (out of focus). I attach the 100% crop plane's nose and tailfin in this message.

Big version: Width: 693 Height: 462 File size: 160kb
Blurry Nose
Big version: Width: 450 Height: 600 File size: 164kb
Blurry Tailfin


There seems no way to fix blurry problem like this.

Regards
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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:43 am

Ok, I ll keep it for me than!

I thought that maybe for not so common shots the standards are bit lower and thought the result I got wasn't that bad  Wink

Trying to get it sharper next time!  Wink

Thanks all!
Bjorn
 
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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:43 pm



Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 5):
shots of moving planes at complete night are probably "almost" impossible...

Impossible is nothing  Smile

Check this out, for example:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/k-yagix/photos_2007/photos_2007.html

Regards.

j
 
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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:59 pm



Quoting Javibi (Reply 14):
Quoting KLM772ER (Reply 5):
shots of moving planes at complete night are probably "almost" impossible...

Impossible is nothing Smile

Check this out, for example:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/k-yagix/photos_2007/photos_2007.html

Regards.

Well...looking at those photos I can finish saying..."practice makes perfect". Of course, the bigger the diameter of the lens, the better light will go in, shortening the exposure time, making the plane not "shake". An image stabilizer is an other help but these lens cost $$$$$$$!
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RE: Night Arrival, Acceptable?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:34 am



Quoting Javibi (Reply 14):
Impossible is nothing Smile

I know:
Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 683 File size: 342kb


But I have to admit, that the quality isn't as good as I would love it to be  Wink

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Bjorn

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