dendrobatid
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Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:17 pm

It was recently brought to our attention by the Headscreeners at Jetphotos.net that they suspected that a photographer was altering details on images uploaded to both JP and airliners.net and for this we thank them. This case was investigated by both screening teams and found to be correct. As a result the photographer in question has been banned for life and all of his images have been removed from both sites.

Two examples are shown below where the photographer even had the audacity to draw attention to the rare photograph with no titles, though, as now can be seen, the image has been altered. The other has been submitted to JP as a mirror image of ours and bearing a different registration. Many images have been submitted to both sites with false and altered registrations and I am sure that everyone will appreciate the serious nature of this image manipulation.




If you cannot view the images you will be able to see them as a part of my profile

Whilst in many ways our sites compete, this had a potential to affect the integrity of both of our databases and rapid firm action was taken by both sides. This is not the first occasion that there has been such a co-operation , but this is the most serious incident shared by us and this can be taken as the way any future unethical behaviour will be dealt with.

Links to the images are also here

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...d=536886434&filename=phpswmWfN.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...d=536886434&filename=phpY6etCK.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...d=536886434&filename=phppBvlPn.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...d=536886434&filename=phpgcVVwd.jpg
Mick Bajcar

[Edited 2007-12-03 11:23:22]
 
boeingfreak
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:45 pm

Holy cow!
But great to see such a good cooperation between the two biggest rivals in the aviation photography world.
I have recently detected some stolen photos from both, airliners.net and jetphotos.net at planepictures.net, dropped the crew at pp.net a note and those images were removed within minutes, great job!  Wink

This is a spectacular case of course and I think this is also a sign to everybody who does such manipulation, in the end it isn't worth it, you are just cheating on yourself!

But I'm not sure whether the anonymity of the internet will give this guy a second chance, a new email-address, a new nickname and uploading under another name... The punishment is appropriate but if it really stops this guy from uploading... I'm not sure....

Anyway, good job!

Florian  Smile
 
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:44 pm

Cloning out the titles but not that annoying red post in the background?
Talk about priorities......................................  Yeah sure
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:47 pm



Quoting Boeingfreak (Reply 1):
Holy cow!
But great to see such a good cooperation between the two biggest rivals in the aviation photography world.

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Quoting Boeingfreak (Reply 1):
The punishment is appropriate but if it really stops this guy from uploading

The punishment is - I assume - according to the rules of the sites, whether it is appropriate or not is for them to decide...and I trust both sites to have investigated this very thoroughly...anyhow, lifetime is long, very long ... and I will cetainly not be around anymore by 2050, at least not shooting pictures and uploading, unless Canon invents a super- IS system by that time  Smile

Quoting Boeingfreak (Reply 1):
This is a spectacular case of course and I think this is also a sign to everybody who does such manipulation, in the end it isn't worth it, you are just cheating on yourself!

I thought that there were specific sites for manipulated pictures, I cannot understand why the "photographer" was uploading here...

Best regards,

Walter
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:54 pm

It's not only manipulation of the look of the plane, also completely fake registrations were 'invented'. You'd expect this (and other) website to have a factual database, but this kind of behaviour messes all that up. Fact and fiction mixed up...
 
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:01 pm

It's unfortunate but the actions were severe enough to warrant the punishment. Adios muchacho. Nice job guys.
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:04 pm



Quoting Dendrobatid (Thread starter):
As a result the photographer in question has been banned for life and all of his images have been removed from both sites.

Well done! but unfortunately I have to agree with Florian:

Quoting Boeingfreak (Reply 1):
But I'm not sure whether the anonymity of the internet will give this guy a second chance, a new email-address, a new nickname and uploading under another name... The punishment is appropriate but if it really stops this guy from uploading... I'm not sure....

What I don't understand how can one be so stupid to upload two complete different versions of one picture to both sites? I mean there are probably plenty of people visiting both sites... It was sure that this would be detected soon or later..
 confused 

But good to know that things like that get sorted out!

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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:05 pm

Florian, without a notice from someone else, we wouldn't even have known. So, it's always helpful to know, that other photogs care for a site's integrity. Of course, he will most probably try to come back. It will be again up to us photographers to inform the cheated websites.

In the same way, a cooperation between competing sites, as shown here and on other occasions, is helpful as well.

Personally, I feel kinda cheated by this piece of #@°§@¦#§@, even more, seeing the first two photos (Germanwings).

But alas, Mick shows to be far tougher than me. You wrote, that the photog has been "banned for life", over there, I only proposed to ban him for 150 years Big grin

Well done!
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:38 pm

Heres me struggling away on my student loans taking trains all over, getting up at 5am to go and see a 757 and this guy is just ps'ing them all. Glad he has been found and dealt with.

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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:02 pm



Quoting IL76 (Reply 4):
also completely fake registrations were 'invented'

Unbelievable  Wow! while for some of my old slides it took me more than a couple of weeks - not continuously  Smile - to find the correct registrations...

Quoting Dendrobatid (Thread starter):
If you cannot view the images you will be able to see them as a part of my profile

Hi Mick, I know that it is for the sake of showing the examples, but I would not be willing to have such fake pictures in my profile...The picture of the "dendrobatid" is however a very nice one, and not a fake!


Best regards,

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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:14 pm

beats me why they waste valuable time messing with registrations and god knows what else...what was he hoping to achieve with this nonsense? Gerardo, didn't he write us an email asking what happened with his photos?
 
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:05 pm

Monty, he got his reply a few days back.

I'm still thinking about posting his name here and there in all shame and glory.

Gerardo
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:22 pm



Quoting Gerardo (Reply 11):
I'm still thinking about posting his name here and there in all shame and glory.

Gerardo
That is why we all waited until the images had gone from both sites before we raised this thread, so as not to name him or make it easy for them to be identified. You know his name, we know his name but in open forum it is only their actions not their name that is important.

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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:22 pm



Quoting Gerardo (Reply 11):
I'm still thinking about posting his name

Yeah it would be interesting to know the name of this guy...
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:23 pm

That's just garbage, good on you guys for catching him.
Let's hear his name  checkmark 

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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:36 pm

Is the culprit a teenager? Reason why I ask is this seems like a rather immature thing to do and in context, I would be surprised if it was someone who was slightly older. (And before I get shot down in flames, some teenagers often demonstrate maturity beyond their years!)
 
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:36 pm



Quoting Tom3 (Reply 13):
Yeah it would be interesting to know the name of this guy...

Dick Head...  Wink that's his name!
 
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:48 pm



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 16):
Dick Head... Wink that's his name!

What a coincidence, same guy knocked me of my bike this morning!

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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:57 pm

Hard to understand this kind of puerile behaviour. I applaud both sites for having the maturity to address the issue in a spirit of cooperation and to take appropriate action - and it was appropriate..
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:26 am

Congratulations to the screeners for catching this inane behavior. Can't believe someone would do such a thing.  no 

Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 15):
Is the culprit a teenager? Reason why I ask is this seems like a rather immature thing to do and in context, I would be surprised if it was someone who was slightly older. (And before I get shot down in flames, some teenagers often demonstrate maturity beyond their years!)

As a teenager, I agree wholeheartedly with your statement about how some teenagers demonstrate maturity beyond their years, however, I do find your statement to be a bit degrading. Coincidentally, I don't think it was a teenager. Any (normal) teen should not have the time nor desire to manipulate photographs in such a professional manner as shown above. It looks to me like this was done by a professional, not some kid. In my eyes, a professional has much more to gain out of it than a teenager.
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:05 am

Mick..

Be careful.

Although he has broken the site(s) rules, he still retains full copyright over his own
'original' photographs.

Maybe the examples you are showing should be trashed.

Regards

Gerry
 
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:35 am

I do not think we need to see the name of him/her. They are already shamed to those who know this person and the community in general. As a result let it go and let this be a lesson. I do not think it is fair in particular for those of us who bust our asses to get acceptance. Frankly, it is nice to get an acceptance or a high hitter which I never gained here but I do have one 10K plus shot on JP. If not that is okay. I enjoy it for the experince. Whether a shot gets on or not I spot for the experince and the firends./ Not the popularity.
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:49 am



Quoting G-CIVP (Reply 15):
Is the culprit a teenager?

I don't think he is...some how I think he's someone who values the hits more than anything else, I can tell you this much, he seems to be from the Mediterranean region.
 
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:54 am

Who ever he is, he is pretty decent with Photoshop and the guys commitment to detail is spectacular. He even changed the nav. light on the wing from red to green when he reversed the photo. Glad you caught him!
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:02 pm



Quoting Gerardo (Reply 11):
I'm still thinking about posting his name here and there in all shame and glory.



Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 12):
so as not to name him or make it easy for them to be identified

Hm, pretty easy to find out his name I think, the runway-sings in the background will quickly tell you the airport the picture was taken and thank god there is the google-cache.....
 
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:18 pm



Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 23):
Who ever he is, he is pretty decent with Photoshop and the guys commitment to detail is spectacular. He even changed the nav. light on the wing from red to green when he reversed the photo. Glad you caught him!

You just think he could put that effort into taking his own pictures and not trying this manipulation crap, but nope... Good on him for being banned and good on the sites for cooperating with each other.
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RE: Photographer Banned To 2050

Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:24 pm

DeltaAVL - my comments weren't mean't be degrading. I'm just trying to find a rationale explanation for this behaviour as I find it slightly odd!

Sometimes exuberance and enthusiasm can result in individuals seeking to be the best by legitimate means, but sometimes not. This seems to be the case here.

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