grockpilot
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LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:15 am

Hi,
I was wondering, do any of you guys at Imperial Hill use tripods or monopods? I've been out there just a few times just doing it handheld. My photos tend to come out very soft. I know my lens, Sigma 70-300mm f4-5.6 DG APO, gets soft near 300mm, but would a tripod help? Also, I've been reading a lot about IS (I've been eyeing the Canon 70-300mm IS though I highly doubt I'd make such a purchase until I get better at the basics). However, does IS really make a difference? I guess in general my pics come out soft. I'm pretty sure I'm a big factor as to why my pictures aren't that great..haha...still much to learn. I'm reading through "Understanding Exposure" by Bryan Peterson to help me get the basics down, but I know real-world trial and error is the best way to learn...for me at least.

Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Yes, even the harsh ones.

Thanks,
Ray

[Edited 2007-12-03 22:18:28]
 
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jid
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:58 am

Ray I started off using a mono pod with my 35-350mm (none IS) both with it resting on the ground and not. You will find the extra weight will give you more stability. You might look like a bit of a twonk with it dangling there but it does help. It then just all comes down to technique and the more practice you get the better you will get. If you can master a none IS lens then the need to spend extra money on a lens with IS goes away. Of course IS does come into its own in poor conditions or when you want to do some slow speed panning.

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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:23 am

A tripod will not reduce lens softness, although it will help with camera shake.

IS IS a great help - especially when shooting props - the slower shutter speed made possible by IS means that the props are nicely blurred.
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:57 am

Ray

I had the pleasure of photographing from Imperial Hill at the end of October and did not see the need for a tripod.

Photographing with the Canon 100-400 and sure I had the IS switched off all of the time.

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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:11 pm



Quoting Grockpilot (Thread starter):
I'm reading through "Understanding Exposure" by Bryan Peterson to help me get the basics down

I absolutely loved the book - helped me out a great deal!

As long as your shudder speed is high enough, which it should be in good conditions, camera-shake won't be a problem. At that point any softness in your shots is most likely either the fault of the lens optics or the auto focus.

- Mike
 
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:27 pm



Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 4):
As long as your shudder speed is high enough, which it should be in good conditions, camera-shake won't be a problem.

Sorry Mike, best typo I have seen in ages !!!! Big grin
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:31 pm

Now should I not pan with the plane as I take shots and just place it ahead and take a shot as the plane passes? I really have no technique...I don't know what are good habits/bad habits.

Also, how often do you guys go out there?
 
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:53 pm

I think most here try to keep the aircraft in the viewfinder for as long as possible. You will get better shots and more opportunities to shoot a quality series. For every aircraft that departs 25L or 25R I will shoot about 6-8 shots to get rotation, side on, and climb out just to give me better odds of 1) a good quality shot and 2) maybe something interesting in the frame.

I am at Imperial in the winter about 2 times a month.
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:13 am

I have the same type of lens and I can only say that while it's quite cheap and decently sharp I've never managed to produce a good image at close to 300mm and I've been using it for about 1½ years now. Imo it works best below 250 and you might stretch that even down to 220.
 
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:14 pm

Hey all,
Thanks for the advice and input. I hope to get out there this Saturday or Sunday.

-Ray
 
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:50 pm



Quoting Grockpilot (Reply 9):
Thanks for the advice and input. I hope to get out there this Saturday or Sunday.

Good luck,

Its supposed to rain 2-3 inches Thurs-Sunday.  cloudnine 
 
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:14 pm



Quoting Jid (Reply 5):


Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 4):
As long as your shudder speed is high enough, which it should be in good conditions, camera-shake won't be a problem.

Sorry Mike, best typo I have seen in ages !!!! Big grin

lmao.. wow, yea umm... I meant like the shudder speed of your body to counteract any shaking of the camera by your arms. Mmhm. That's exactly what I meant. lol To my credit, I wrote that about 6 AM after stayin up the whole night. =)

-Mike
 
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:37 am

Well I got to go to LAX today. Thankfully the skies opened up and the rain stopped. Nice and chilly today. Looks like 25R was reopened (course I haven't been out there since October...haha). I'm not too happy with my shots, but there's definitely some improvement so I'm glad...I'm learning. Got to see a Saudi Arabia Royal Flight MD-11 taxi in and a Nippon Cargo 747-400F.

Thanks again...this newbie doesn't feel as dumb now. i just hope i'm not developing any bad habits

[Edited 2007-12-08 20:39:15]
 
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:36 am



Quoting Grockpilot (Reply 14):
I'm not too happy with my shots, but there's definitely some improvement so I'm glad...I'm learning.

That's the attitude. When I head to my local airport, personally, I don't care if my shots are crappy or whatnot since I could always come back the following weekend and maybe have better luck. You still have tons of opportunity in L.A, but don't focus just LAX. You still have SNA, LGB, ONT, and many other airfields that are great for photography.
 
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:38 pm



Quoting Grockpilot (Reply 14):
Got to see a Saudi Arabia Royal Flight MD-11 taxi in

Ahh I absolutely love the Saudi Royal MD-11(s).. not sure if they have more than one. SAT Sakhalin Airlines (Russian Federation)">HZ-HM7 was at SAT getting a new interior/fresh paint for over a year (legal problems, apparently), and the girl was absolutely gorgeous when she left. I'd love to see one of those again!
 
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RE: LAX Imperial Hill Tips For A Newbie

Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:26 pm



Quoting Scottieprecord (Reply 16):
Ahh I absolutely love the Saudi Royal MD-11(s).. not sure if they have more than one. SAT Sakhalin Airlines (Russian Federation)">SAT Sakhalin Airlines (Russian Federation)">HZ-HM7 was at SAT getting a new interior/fresh paint for over a year (legal problems, apparently), and the girl was absolutely gorgeous when she left. I'd love to see one of those again!

Hey Mike,
Yup that was it, SAT Sakhalin Airlines (Russian Federation)">HZ-HM7. Yeah, it was a pleasant surprise.

- Ray

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