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Nikon D80 Vs Canon 400: Which Takes Livelier Pics?

Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:57 pm

After scanning samples on this website for quite a while a few years ago, I noticed that the Canon entry DSLR always produced pictures with livelier colors than Nikon's counterpart (the D70): blue, red, etc were slightly fresher, and the picture more pleasing when straight off the camera, whereas Nikon appeared less lively.

This was a few years ago. As I am about to commit to one of the two now (without possibility to try, since I am buying it from NY and going back home), does this theory still exist?

They can't be completely identical, one has to be better. As for the in-hand feel, I love the Nikon's serious feel in my hand.

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RE: Nikon D80 Vs Canon 400: Which Takes Livelier Pics?

Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:09 pm

I shifted from D70 to D80 a few months ago and I think colours are livelier and truer.

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RE: Nikon D80 Vs Canon 400: Which Takes Livelier Pics?

Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:27 pm

So it was true before, but not anymore?
 
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RE: Nikon D80 Vs Canon 400: Which Takes Livelier Pics?

Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:39 pm

A lot of what you perceive as color fidelity on a digital camera has to do with two things - the image processor you use (whether it be the camera's CPU and firmware or a RAW converter) and the bayer matrix array of color filters. These improve over time. The D80 will necessarily be better in this regard than, say, a D70 or D50.

Canon and Nikon both have different methods of doing this since they get their sensors from different suppliers (Canon fabs their own, while Nikon purchases them from Sony or has Sony fabricate them). The Minolta 7D and 5D (of which I use) were renowned for their color reproduction because Minolta used a different bayer filter array than Nikon did with the D70/D50 with the same Sony sensor. The other part of it was the image processing software used to create the camera JPEGs.

And even then, if you use a RAW converter, the processing side gets thrown out. However, programs like Adobe Camera RAW and Lightroom allow you to use a Gretag (now XRite) ColorChecker square chart to measure your colors under a specific light and calibrate your camera to them. So you can neutralize some of the oddities such as reds that are rendered too strong.

It's been my experience that Canons produce more neutral colors. The few Nikons I've used produce results with a little more vibrance. Overall, I'd say they're fairly close.

Don't forget that glass has a lot to do with it too. Much of today's glass is designed with sharpness/contrast in mind and that can sacrifice some color rendition. Canon, Zeiss are notorious for this.
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RE: Nikon D80 Vs Canon 400: Which Takes Livelier Pics?

Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:32 pm

I've not had much experience with the Nikon range but the original D70 (i.e. not the D70s), the D50 and the older D100 all seem to produce images with slight colour casts, which generally lean towards blue. As far as I know Nikons tend to produce sharper images straight from the camera, however I personally think Canons produce the best overall colour balance. It obviously depends on the lenses of course but I have noticed with a friend's Nikon that the blue of the sky in his images is often far too deep and almost surreal. I agree with the above - I much prefer the neutral approach from the Canons. Additionally, with both brands you can always boost the saturation if the colour doesn't seem quite punchy enough. I think this option works particularly well with the Canons.

At the end of the day we're talking about the top two brands here, so neither is going to deliver a bad shot, if used properly. I personally prefer the results from my Canon (30D) and the results are similar to what you'll get from a 400D, however it's all about personal preference. Some folks don't like the feel of the entry-level Canons and I must admit the equivalent Nikons feel much sturdier. Check out some of my pics in the database (search for keyword Karl Nixon in photo search) - they have been cropped slightly and sharpened but other than that are exactly as they came out of the camera.

Finally, the 400D (budget and spec-wise) I'd say is actually half-way between the D40x/D50 and the D80.

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RE: Nikon D80 Vs Canon 400: Which Takes Livelier Pics?

Tue Dec 25, 2007 3:52 am

http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/

Check out the samples from both cameras.
 
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RE: Nikon D80 Vs Canon 400: Which Takes Livelier Pics?

Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:11 pm



Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 5):
http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/

Check out the samples from both cameras.

Not much difference  Smile

I think I'll go for the Nikon just for the nicer build and the features (that I won't use, but that somehow justify the price  Smile ).



When is a replacement scheduled for these cameras? August 2008?

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RE: Nikon D80 Vs Canon 400: Which Takes Livelier Pics?

Tue Dec 25, 2007 2:25 pm

Quoting Dvincent (Reply 3):
A lot of what you perceive as color fidelity on a digital camera has to do with two things - the image processor you use (whether it be the camera's CPU and firmware or a RAW converter) and the bayer matrix array of color filters. These improve over time. The D80 will necessarily be better in this regard than, say, a D70 or D50.

Canon and Nikon both have different methods of doing this since they get their sensors from different suppliers (Canon fabs their own, while Nikon purchases them from Sony or has Sony fabricate them). The Minolta 7D and 5D (of which I use) were renowned for their color reproduction because Minolta used a different bayer filter array than Nikon did with the D70/D50 with the same Sony sensor. The other part of it was the image processing software used to create the camera JPEGs.

And even then, if you use a RAW converter, the processing side gets thrown out. However, programs like Adobe Camera RAW and Lightroom allow you to use a Gretag (now XRite) ColorChecker square chart to measure your colors under a specific light and calibrate your camera to them. So you can neutralize some of the oddities such as reds that are rendered too strong.

UUUUMMMM, YES, OK. So, in English that means ?  

Just kidding. Basically.....The Canon is cheaper, The Nikon is more expensivew but a more solid lump, I use Nikon and like them. Both do a very good job. Your choice !

Merry Christmas.

PS. I am currently surrounding several large brandies so you have to make allowances !!

  

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RE: Nikon D80 Vs Canon 400: Which Takes Livelier Pics?

Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:14 pm



Quoting Kay (Reply 6):
When is a replacement scheduled for these cameras? August 2008?

They released a D3 and D300 with 5 new lenses November of this year so i don't know if you want to go ahead and purchase your D80 right now? Maybe save up and by a D300?

I was at LHR this summer (August) heading back to the states from India and found a great price on a D200 (around US $1400 body only) and picked it up considering i had wanted one and also to have another body (have D80 too) but after i got back home to the states i was sad to see that they were introducing these new products right as i bought the D200 because if i had know earlier i would have waited and got the D300 since it falls around the same price body only as the D200. Hopefully ill pick up a D300 shortly!

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