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Worth An Appeal?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:15 pm

Got two pics where I am thinking of appealing so is it worth a try?

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...uly_2006_ETSB_4519_4586_4494_1.jpg reject reasons: grainy and oversharpened

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/r...1222_25_feb_2006_yum_harrier_5.jpg reject reason: blurry

I see it differently, but most people do with their own shots...

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RE: Worth An Appeal?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:24 pm



Quoting TweetDriver (Thread starter):
eject reasons: grainy and oversharpened

And also editing - halo appears. So this one for sure will not be accepted.

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RE: Worth An Appeal?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:34 pm

Ok I reedited it: http://picasaweb.google.de/talon4hen...erlegung/photo#5148305309550231250 think its gonna stand a chance now?
 
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RE: Worth An Appeal?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:58 pm

Hi Henk,

it looks still oversharpened to me. Check for example 45+19. I still see halos, for example around the wing. Try to sharpen the picture on a second layer and erase the halos.

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RE: Worth An Appeal?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:38 pm

Ok then it is just plain a bad picture since I only sharpened it with amount 50 @ radius 0.5 wich is according to other people here not a lot...
I did not do anythings else to it this time.
 
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RE: Worth An Appeal?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:15 pm

Hi Henk,

Quoting TweetDriver (Reply 4):
I only sharpened it with amount 50 @ radius 0.5

That might explain a lot. Radius 0.5 is actually on the 'aggressive' side - I personally have experimented quite a lot with this, and now I'm using a radius of 0.2 as it gives a much smoother look. Anything above 0.3 tends to increase the perceived grain, and in case of very small detail in a picture it almost always gives an oversharpened look.

Btw, the first one (Tornados) is also oversaturated, and the second one (if it wasn't that blurry) I would crop much closer around the aircraft.

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RE: Worth An Appeal?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 6:51 pm

@Acontador: did you see the revised image?
In workshops especially designed for aircraft photography people were talking about USM with a much higher factor and radius.
 
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RE: Worth An Appeal?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:01 pm



Quoting TweetDriver (Reply 6):
@Acontador: did you see the revised image?
In workshops especially designed for aircraft photography people were talking about USM with a much higher factor and radius.

You must remeber this is a.net and the images have to meet their rules, not a printers rules or another group so if you want your shots accepted on a.net meet their rules.

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RE: Worth An Appeal?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 7:14 pm

Hi Henk,

Your Tornado pic was taken at around midday, with a high sun => bad light, so it will come out very contrasty. As it looks right now, your second edit looks still oversharpened, too high contrast and oversaturated. It's not a bad picture at all, but it's a difficult one to edit.

Quoting TweetDriver (Reply 6):
In workshops especially designed for aircraft photography people were talking about USM with a much higher factor and radius.

Not necessary to start an argument, but I didn't say anything about the quantity (=factor) of USM to apply, only about the quality (=radius). The factor of USM will always depend on each picture, but I can tell you that on my pictures (and I usually pick out the sharpest one out of a very sharp lens like the 70-200L) I use one pass of 500% and 0.2, and then maybe if really necessary a second one of 100% and 0.2.
In your case, since the picture is already very contrasty, and it shows a lot of small details, it will probably stand much less sharpening.

Hope it helps and we can see more of your Luftwaffe pictures!  Smile
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RE: Worth An Appeal?

Wed Dec 26, 2007 8:59 pm

Well, my intention was not to start an argument.
And I am trying to put some more pictures online, but they obviously all do not meet the standards.
And thank you Lid for lecturing me about where we are.

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