Apache
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Blurry And Level Rejection - Help Needed

Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:27 pm

Hi all,

I would like to ask for your opinions on these two shots:

Rejection reason "Level" - recommended to rotate it anticlockwise.
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...ain?filename=20071226_IMG_1710.jpg
As there is no horizon visible in here I did use vertical edges of buildings in background to match the grid when processing this one (as they should be right-angled to the ground).


Rejection reason "Blurry"
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...ain?filename=20071226_IMG_3938.jpg


Thanks in advance for any reply.
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RE: Blurry And Level Rejection - Help Needed

Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:02 am

Cau Pavel,

it does need a little bit of a CCW rotation, less then .5 degree I'd say.
The second one is blurry and there's not much you can do to fix it. Still good for your personal collection though.

Ivan
 
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RE: Blurry And Level Rejection - Help Needed

Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:36 am

Ahoj Ivan,

You were right with first one. I did rotate it CCW .2 degree and it seems even better now.

Regarding second one - to be honest I probably do not understand what "Blurry" reason stands for at all. Could you be so kind to give me more details what's wrong with this one. Another one I got "Blurry" rejection for follows.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...ain?filename=20071220_IMG_2591.jpg

Both shots were taken with EOS400D camera and EF100-400mm lens.
Settings for W-3A - @400mm, 1/160 s, f/11, ISO 100
Settings for B737 @400mm, 1/640 s, f/5.6, ISO 100

As I'm still learning, thanks for any comments and suggestions once again.
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RE: Blurry And Level Rejection - Help Needed

Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:19 pm

Hi Ivan,

'Blurry' is kind of getting into my topic  Wink .

Blurry means that the picture did not completely 'freeze' the movement of the airplane, or, in cases where the aircraft is standing still, the camera movement (shaking). Your pictures are fine examples of that slight and subtle level of blurriness that we often see but are not that apparent to the photographers.
- Helo picture: If you look at the registration, landing lights or the landing gears, you'll see that they are not sharp. Moreover, you should notice that the softness does not come from lack of sharpening but from a slight movement of the subject while the picture was taken.
- Air Berlin: Look at the 'airberlin.com' titles, registration, tail and landing gears, and you should see again that they are not sharp. Again, you should notice that the softness does not come from lack of sharpening but from a slight movement of the subject while the picture was taken.
Without looking at the originals I cannot say if your pictures are salvageable or not, that is if careful sharpening can overcome the slight blurriness without oversharpening the picture.
I can fully understand that for many photographers it is a bit difficult to actually see this subtle blurriness. It is more a matter of looking at many pictures and training your eye. Another way of recognizing the blurriness is that the pictures will look soft, and then oversharpened, but never actually correctly sharpened.

Btw, I think that helo shot could be a bit brighter, and the Air Berlin one would look better with a slight ccw rotation.

Hope it helps  Smile .
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Apache
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RE: Blurry And Level Rejection - Help Needed

Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:28 am

Hi Andres,

I did try to post-process the one with helicopter from the beginning and here you can find the output.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/IMG_3938.jpg

You are absolutely right about landing gears but there is a simple reason why it's blurry. The shot was taken immediately after lift-off so gears were not steady in relation to heli's fuselage which results to visible blurriness.

Please let me know your opinion on new version and whether it stands a chance to be accepted or not. Thanks a lot
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RE: Blurry And Level Rejection - Help Needed

Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:04 pm

Hi Ivan,

All the areas in the shadow can use some more sharpening, although I'm not sure it will overcome the blurry appearance.
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RE: Blurry And Level Rejection - Help Needed

Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:23 pm

Last try with this one, bit more sharpness added:

http://www.volny.cz/paca/temp/img_3938-2.jpg
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RE: Blurry And Level Rejection - Help Needed

Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:41 pm

Still blurry. Save it for the personal collection, bud.
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