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Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:30 am

Hi,

I just got a Nikon D300 with an 18-200 VR lens and I am flying to Tokyo/Sapporo in a few days. Does anyone have any tips on how to get the best shots with this combination (mode, settings, etc)? Also, what are the best spots in Terminal 2 (Where QF is) in Narita, and JL terminals in Haneda and Sapporo?

Thanks,

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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:45 am

Can't give you any advice on spots at the airport, but I would read the manual on the plane on the way over. You shouldn't be expecing great photos with little or no knowledge on a DSLR or basic photographic rules. The manual that comes with the camera is the best start.
 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:05 am

Step 1:

Get some understanding of the basics of exposure - shutter speed, aperture, sensor sensitivity (ISO), colour temperature (white balance), exposure compensation, and how all these things interact with each other; of composition - framing, angle of view, lens choice; of post-processing - cropping, selective sharpening, correction of exposure. Three books by Ansel Adams - "The Negative", "The Print" and "The Camera", are a good source of accurate information.

Step 2:

Read the camera manual.

Step 3:

Set yourself some specific test assignments. Analyse the results, identify your mistakes, do not make those mistakes the next time.

Do not expect great results quickly. If you stick with photography, you will still be learning and improving in 20 years' time.

You have a great camera and a reasonably good lens. But, like any tools, they will only give great results if you know what you are doing, and why you are doing it.
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:29 pm

I have been into photography for a while and upgraded from an Olympus SP-510 to the SLR... I have read the manual already and have got some great shots of non-aviation subjects but haven't got to the airport yet!


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One of my shots taken with a C-770 before it was drowned  Sad

Thanks for the replies,

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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:39 am

I'm in Japan now, I took some shots with the camera in SYD and HND... Do you think any of these shots are good for upload with some more processing?
Shot 1
Shot 2
Shot 3
Shot 4
Shot 5
Shot 6
Shot 7
Shot 8
Shot 9
Shot 10

Thanks
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:59 am

Take the 18-200 lens and throw it as far as you can. The further the better.

This lens is best used in bright sunshine at f/8. It is an extremely soft lens. I'm not saying you can't use it but you need to be on top of your game to get consistent results.

You wanna reach out to 200mm pick up an 80-200 f/2.8 Nikon or Sigma. You can't go wrong.
 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:06 am

In your current batch I only see one that is a possibility (shot 2).

I think your main problem is you are shooting on a really bad day. It's not ideal. Go and do something else when its like that. Especially when starting out with a DSLR.
 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:42 am

I think 2 is a possibility with some editing.

May I ask, did you take that one from the observation deck above the International Terminal at Sydney? I was under the impression it was closed...
 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:54 am



Quoting Eadster (Reply 6):
I think your main problem is you are shooting on a really bad day

Yes, I was transiting Haneda en route to Sapporo and it was raining... took a few shots in the terminal waiting for the JL flight.
I have submitted at the moment This photo and shot 10 above.
Thanks for the input!
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:58 am



Quoting Cpd (Reply 7):
did you take that one from the observation deck above the International Terminal at Sydney?

Yes

Quoting Cpd (Reply 7):
I was under the impression it was closed...

Don't think it's ever been closed... the bar up there has been closed for a while though.

The spotting deck at HND is much better - but no roof! (it was raining when I was there - I'll hope for better on the way home)
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:32 pm



Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 5):
Take the 18-200 lens and throw it as far as you can.

It's not all that bad - I have literally dozens of shots taken with that lens and accepted here.

Here's just one random example:

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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:26 pm



Quoting Viv (Reply 10):
It's not all that bad - I have literally dozens of shots taken with that lens and accepted here

I'm glad you read my post and paid attention.  sarcastic 

Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 5):
This lens is best used in bright sunshine at f/8. It is an extremely soft lens. I'm not saying you can't use it but you need to be on top of your game to get consistent results.

I never said you can't get good results. I have a bunch too, but I'm not here to shamelessly plug my shots.
 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:30 pm



Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 5):
You wanna reach out to 200mm pick up an 80-200 f/2.8 Nikon or Sigma. You can't go wrong.

No doubt, my 80-200 2.8 Nikkor is my #1 lens.

Quoting Viv (Reply 10):
It's not all that bad - I have literally dozens of shots taken with that lens and accepted here.

Nice shot, but trying to shoot moving aircraft it less than ideal conditions the lens is impossible, for good results a faster lens is much better.

Quoting Viv (Reply 2):
Three books by Ansel Adams - "The Negative", "The Print" and "The Camera", are a good source of accurate information.

I own both and they are the best! The man was a genius.
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:33 pm

Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 11):
I'm not here to shamelessly plug my shots.

I have no shame. Why on earth should I?

By the way, you seem to believe the old wive's tale about f/8 or nothing - it really amuses me when people spend big bucks on fast glass and then shoot at f/.8. I have a bunch of shots here, taken with the 18-200 lens at f/4 and f/5.6 and others taken at f/16. As you say, when one is on top of one's game ....

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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:36 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
trying to shoot moving aircraft it less than ideal conditions the lens is impossible

Impossible??? Not at all!
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:44 pm



Quoting Viv (Reply 13):
By the way, you seem to believe the old wive's tale about f/8 or nothing - it really amuses me when people spend big bucks on fast glass and then shoot at f/.8.

That is not what I said.

Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 5):
This lens is best used in bright sunshine at f/8

Note the part "This lens..." in reference to the 18-200. f/5.6 on this lens is noticeably softer. Actually, it is horribly soft.

I never said one word about the 80-200 f/2.8 and only good at f/8. You took a specific statement and applied it everywhere you pleased.  no 
 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:54 pm



Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 5):
Take the 18-200 lens and throw it as far as you can. The further the better.

This lens is best used in bright sunshine at f/8.

I was also referring to the 18-200. I said not one word about the 80-200 2.8.
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:56 pm



Quoting Viv (Reply 13):
you seem to believe the old wive's tale about f/8 or nothing - it really amuses me when people spend big bucks on fast glass and then shoot at f/.8

ummm the 18-200 is what you call fast glass?
 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:01 pm



Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 17):
ummm the 18-200 is what you call fast glass?

it is fast. As in I sold it, fast.

If you have anything but a Japan-build 18-200 it won't live up to the hype.

Thing is so soft around the edges not even Viagra could help it.
 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:10 pm

The 18-200 is a great travel lens, wonderful for general photography because of its wide range of focal length. On a D300 with the higher iso capability it would also do well in lower light situations where you would need 2.8 glass.

It is however, very skittish in terms of sharpness. Some copies are better than others, but generally not what would be considered a lens to use when you want to ensure high quality.

Viv - I can accept you have got great shots with it. I think the point being made is that the lens can be hit or miss and there are better choices for purely aviation related photography. Everyone one has their own opinions, I would personally weigh in on the side of using the 18-200 for snapshots.

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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:43 pm



Quoting Psyops (Reply 19):
I would personally weigh in on the side of using the 18-200 for snapshots.

Whatever, dude.

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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:07 pm



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 20):
Don't let me catch you leaving your 'Tube N Squirt' by the pool or I will pop it

This also includes your 'Floaties' too!

 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:15 pm



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 20):
Whatever, dude.

Snapshots - like the kind you would take with a point 'n shoot.

I rarely use my 18-200.
 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:27 pm



Quoting Psyops (Reply 22):
Snapshots - like the kind you would take with a point 'n shoot.

What lens was this shot?

 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:38 pm



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 23):
What lens was this shot?

I'm gonna guess fast glass. 17-55 f/2.8? Just a guess though given that you don't waste a D2XS on an 18-200 lens.
 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:43 pm



Quoting Viv (Reply 14):
Impossible??? Not at all!

Bad choice of words, your right. Though a 2.8 is much better at it.

Quoting Psyops (Reply 19):
The 18-200 is a great travel lens, wonderful for general photography because of its wide range of focal length. On a D300 with the higher iso capability it would also do well in lower light situations where you would need 2.8 glass.

It is however, very skittish in terms of sharpness. Some copies are better than others, but generally not what would be considered a lens to use when you want to ensure high quality.

Nicely put.
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:40 pm



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 18):
a Japan-build 18-200

That is what I have.
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:43 pm



Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 17):
ummm the 18-200 is what you call fast glass?

No, I did not say that. Read my post again - I made a generic comment about people who buy fast glass and shoot at f/8. The 80-200 2.8 is a wonderful lens.
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:10 am



Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 23):
What lens was this shot?



Quoting 777MechSys (Reply 24):
'm gonna guess fast glass. 17-55 f/2.8?

Right on - and out at the wide end to get everything in.
 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:05 pm



Quoting Psyops (Reply 28):
and out at the wide end to get everything in

What? Wide angle to make sure you get all of Royal?

Dude, that is harsh.
 
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RE: Nikon D300: Shooting Tips?

Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:18 pm



Quoting Psyops (Reply 28):
the wide end to get everything in

That's what Erick's sister always says. Weird.

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