USAir_757
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Let's Revive The Monitor Discussion!

Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:48 pm

OK. Basically, right now I have the same computer I had in 2001. Sony Vaio PCV-RX660, came with a 15" LCD. The computer itself is great - aside from an HDD failure (YAY MAXTOR!), it's been trouble-free for 7 years and still serves me quite well. Now - while the LCD is great for general computing, I have determined that LCDs (or at least all but the very most expensive models, which I cannot currently afford) are inferior for the purpose of photo post processing, and since it looks like I'm going to be going back into this head-first very soon, I've gotta get things in order.

I'm going for a large flat CRT (19"+). They've gotten VERY cheap lately, and with everyone being in love with LCDs, there is a deluge of perfectly good CRTs on the 2nd hand market. I've even found good ones in thrift stores, unfortunately before I was specifically in the market for one again.

I need some recommendations.

I'm pretty certain the older Dell flat CRTs were actually rebadged Sony monitors, due to the name "Trinitron" being printed on them which is in fact a Sony registered trademark.

Anyways, thanks in advance, guys.

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RE: Let's Revive The Monitor Discussion!

Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:35 pm

Your old LCD stinks at photo processing, but newer LCDs are much better, even the ones that aren't that expensive. You want to avoid so-called "TN" panels because they have a lower bit depth.

I still use a tube monitor but only because I'm too broke right now to rush out and buy a new LCD when frankly, I need to.

I would suggest looking at the newer Dell flat panel monitors; they are very good and use Samsung panels which are high quality. They're also the same monitors screeners use.  Wink
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RE: Let's Revive The Monitor Discussion!

Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:51 pm

The main thing I'm concerned about here is contrast shift. CRTs are inherently immune to it, but I've yet to see an LCD - still - that doesn't do it to some degree.

LCDs are also still have difficulty producing true blacks; CRTs can do it effortlessly.

To each his own, I guess?

Either way, I'll take another look at some new LCDs, but I personally still see CRTs as superior for photo processing. LCDs are seriously still in their infancy when compared with the CRT which has been with us for, what, going on 70 years now?

Thanks for the advice nonetheless.

-C

[Edited 2008-01-14 06:09:13]
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RE: Let's Revive The Monitor Discussion!

Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:23 pm



Quoting USAir_757 (Reply 2):
Either way, I'll take another look at some new LCDs, but I personally still see CRTs as superior for photo processing. LCDs are seriously still in their infancy when compared with the CRT which has been with us for, what, going on 80 years now?

The problem is that the tube monitor is a dying breed. I agree with your points, but even the print industry is moving towards flat panels (most printers I know use flat panels in their color critical work nowadays). Today's panels are extremely good.

Tubes also very heavy and consume a lot of electricity. Flat panels also help save your eyes.
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RE: Let's Revive The Monitor Discussion!

Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:38 pm

I have a 17" CRT on my main pc (used for editing photo's etc) and an LCD on my work pc. For me, CRT's are far superior in overall quality. I just hope my monitor lasts for a good few years yet becasue I'd hate to have to replace it with an LCD. They do nothing for me.

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RE: Let's Revive The Monitor Discussion!

Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:42 pm

I agree that it's a dying breed, no question there - nobody in town, save one or two of the computer places, even sells new CRTs anymore - whether we're talking TVs or monitors.

I can't see how this is a problem, though - enlighten me? All I can see it meaning, right now, is that I can get a really nice barely used monitor for disgustingly cheap... (which would free up that money for more photo gear...like the upcoming SMC Pentax-DA* 60-250!! )

Thanks again

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RE: Let's Revive The Monitor Discussion!

Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:56 pm



Quoting USAir_757 (Reply 5):
I can't see how this is a problem, though - enlighten me? All I can see it meaning, right now, is that I can get a really nice barely used monitor for disgustingly cheap... (which would free up that money for more photo gear...like the upcoming SMC Pentax-DA* 60-250!! )

Like I said, I still use a tube... My LaCie electron blue. Great monitor, but it's not perfect. If you can get a good monitor for a low price, then why not? Just make sure it works and doesn't have a lot of phosphor wear...

And then get an EyeOne and calibrate it.  Wink
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RE: Let's Revive The Monitor Discussion!

Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:39 pm

Yeah, that's the plan.

Plus, it'd be interesting to give LCDs a couple more years to develop and then see how they square up.

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RE: Let's Revive The Monitor Discussion!

Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:47 pm



Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 4):
I have a 17" CRT on my main pc (used for editing photo's etc) and an LCD on my work pc. For me, CRT's are far superior in overall quality. I just hope my monitor lasts for a good few years yet becasue I'd hate to have to replace it with an LCD. They do nothing for me

Bingo .... my thoughts exactly , i use a Dell 17" CRT and will NOT be replacing it any time soon .

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RE: Let's Revive The Monitor Discussion!

Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:57 pm



Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 4):
I have a 17" CRT on my main pc (used for editing photo's etc) and an LCD on my work pc. For me, CRT's are far superior in overall quality. I just hope my monitor lasts for a good few years yet becasue I'd hate to have to replace it with an LCD. They do nothing for me.

I have to agree there too, mine's a 19" Dell CRT and I love it. The quality of the photos on it are brilliant. I use a very cheap TFT to keep all my PS tools on so that leaves my CRT free from clutter. I can view the whole photo on my CRT.

I am a member of a photographic society and one of the members is an Editor of a photographic magazine, and he's been asked the same question so many times about what monitor should they buy. His answer is simple. You get what you pay for. You want quality then be prepared to pay for it!

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RE: Let's Revive The Monitor Discussion!

Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:07 pm

I have a 19" NEC MultiSync LCD 1970GX. I have had it for 2 years and I absolutely love it! It is perfect for multimedia. Photo editing, video/movie watching. The colors are so vibrant, has excellent contrast ratio etc. Blacks are bacl and whites are white. The surface of the screen has a little bit of gloss to it that I think really adds to the presentation it gives with no problem with reflections or anything.
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