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How About Telling Me Beforehand?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:13 am

Hi guys, hi screeners,

I have an idea how to reduce workload on the screeners. But first the pictures:

First one: oversharpened (only reason)

Second one: soft (and again soft as only reason)

Third one: centered (ok, so now sharpening is right?)

Since I can't do anything about the centered issue because the plane just is too high in the frame in first place. Thus giving that rejection reason on the first or second try would have held be back from trying. Kind of frustrating to me and to the screeners...

It seems like when I solve a problem another rejection reason pops up, and again the shot isn't worthy. But how come nobody marked that as a rejection reason in first place?

@ the screeners: Please mark ALL the problems. That way I can work on solving them or I can decide not to work and not to upload just to get out there an get the basics right. That would save stress and time.

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RE: How About Telling Me Beforehand?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:17 am

I also agree that a centre rejection should be very obvious and marked if it is appropriate - it's not as fine an art as sharp/soft etc.

However, in their defence, they probably look at thousands of images so they are trying to do their best to get through the queue. Marking all the reasons will likely make the queue larger and it will take more time for them to get through it. But also, the same person may not look at it the second time around.

I won't say to read the psproc.pdf document, as you've probably already done it - and it'll just take time to pick things up.

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RE: How About Telling Me Beforehand?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:29 am

@Deradere: get used to it. Unless the same screener, who previously rejected it, looks at the second version of your photo, another one will have a completely different opinion. At times this is good, at times it's bad.

The photo is badcentered from the start.

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RE: How About Telling Me Beforehand?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:30 am

I do certainly not want to attack the screeners. I do appreciate and respect their work.

So don't get me wrong, I don't want to protest my pics into the database, I do agree with the rejection reasons. I just wand to kindly ask them to mark (if possible) all the obvious reasons.

It's just a frustrating game to get a rejection reason, improve the picture, re-upload it... then getting a totally different issue that has been there in first place... correcting, re-uploading... etc.

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RE: How About Telling Me Beforehand?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:05 am

Here I have another one:

Your thoughts on this one, please.

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RE: How About Telling Me Beforehand?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:58 pm

Hi Lars,

Sorry to see this! Please note that we really try to avoid this kind of things happening by trying to point out as many problems as we see, but unfortunately it doesn't work all the time  Sad . But if we do it, then some people complain that they get a rejection email with 7 different reasons...
Anyway, yes, the second/third picture is too high in the frame (a different one from the first). The quality is now much better, also much better than your last one, which seems to be slightly out of focus/blurry (tail, reg, titles). Any chance you can recrop your third one?
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RE: How About Telling Me Beforehand?

Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:39 pm

Hi Acontador,

it just comes out to be my fault...

Here is the original file, just re-sized so it won't explode into 12 mega pix on you screen.

If I apply that CW rotation that it truly needs it's way too high in it's frame to crop it a way that lowers it. Staying with 3:2 proportions the one I have posted is the best outcome. (I would need a wider format to lower it, but the way I understand the rules there is no wider format allowed then 3:2)

I should just take it as a motivation to get out there again and get a better shot. Now I know what to improve. (A little "that's way to high up in the frame" comment would have saved me a week trying to overcome a sharpening issue.

This should not be understood as an allegation towards the screeners.

There is probably no way to get everybody satisfied with the screening process, neither 7 different reasons are a motivation nor 7 reasons popping up one by one with each new upload.

That's just the way it is. I have to conquer my problems and get some better material out of it for post processing.

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