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USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:44 am

I've been ordering Nikon photo gear in the USA for years. Usually because of the great online shops and fine customer service (compared to what I'm used to here). Always done this without any problems at all. With the current Dollar vs Euro exchange rate it is now also very lucrative.

But....Shops in the USA won't ship anymore to Europe because of: "Due to the manufacturers restrictions...." .

What's this? I tried B&H, Cameta and Amazon. They all responded the same way. Basically this means that I will have to pay about 40% more for the same equipment here in Europe. Luckily I will be in the USA in two weeks to pick it up, but still.... It looks like this is yet again another "protect the profit" plan and it annoyes me.

Does anyone here have the same experience and does anyone know if there are good shops in the USA who will ship Nikon gear to Europe?


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Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:16 am

I'd like to complain that this is anti-competitive in a global marketplace.

As long as they don't do it to Australia. I can pick up very good deals with B&H on Nikkors, and they get them delivered as quickly as they would do here in Australia locally. And this is despite coming from abroad.

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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:19 am



Quoting Diezel (Thread starter):
I will have to pay about 40% more for the same equipment here in Europe.

This is the reason for the restriction.

Quoting Diezel (Thread starter):
I will be in the USA in two weeks to pick it up

If you are stopped by customs you will be asked to pay the EU import duty - plus VAT if you cannot prove you paid sales tax in the U.S. If you have not declared the items you may also be liable to pay a fine.

Quoting Diezel (Thread starter):
good shops in the USA who will ship Nikon gear to Europe?

Customs in Europe open about 30% of shipped packages - so your chances of having to pay import duty on shipments are quite high.
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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:24 am



Quoting Diezel (Thread starter):
Does anyone here have the same experience and does anyone know if there are good shops in the USA who will ship Nikon gear to Europe?

Roel

I heard about a solution for such problems in a Dutch TV or radio show, Kassa, a few weeks ago. It was not specifically about cameras but there are specialized companies out there in the USA which will buy the product for you, repackage it and send it to you for a small fee. Apparently this is quite legal. Perhaps you can find the story on their website, kassa.vara.nl.

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Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:28 am



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 3):
here in the USA which will buy the product for you, repackage it and send it to you for a small fee. Apparently this is quite legal.

Not quite. It is legal only if there is a customs declaration on the outside of the package as to the value of the contents.
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Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:41 am



Quoting Viv (Reply 4):
Not quite. It is legal only if there is a customs declaration on the outside of the package as to the value of the contents.

But this sort of thing happens all the time.

If you look on ebay, there are any number of business based in Hong Kong that will ship gear to the UK and they guarantee you will not have to pay VAT and duty. If you do end up paying VAT and duty, they will refund it. I know it all sounds "too good to be true", but these are reputable companies and, from what I've heard, are as good as their word.
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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:57 am



Quoting Ptrjong (Reply 3):
I heard about a solution for such problems in a Dutch TV or radio show, Kassa

Thanks Peter, will check this out.

Quoting Viv (Reply 2):
If you are stopped by customs you will be asked to pay the EU import duty - plus VAT

Thanks for the warning but I do know that. The point is that I'm not even able to have those goods ship to me. Even if I'm willing to pay all taxes!

With all this protectionism going on, they are not making it any easier for us. Today, when I buy a couple of CDs at dustygrooves or cdunivers in the USA, they are underway for sometimes more than a month. It's not the shops or the mail, they ship within 24 hours. It's the customs having a backlog of a month opening all those package's and charging EUR 12 or something like that. It's getting close to ridiculous.


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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:07 pm



Quoting Diezel (Thread starter):
But....Shops in the USA won't ship anymore to Europe because of: "Due to the manufacturers restrictions...." .

That's because you shoot Nikon... Canon on the other hand  Wink (a nice 10-22 is on it's way to me right now from B&H)
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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:32 pm

Same issue is occurring with buying a car in the US and then driving it to Canada. Canadian prices for vehicles have always been significantly higher (10-30%) than for the same vehicle in the US. It made some sense at one point, because the Canaian dollar was at a 10-30% deficit to the US dollar.

With the Canadian dollar now at par with the US dollar, the vehicle prices have retained the same spread, so many Canadians are shopping in the US and importing the vehicles to Canada. Some manufacturers have tried to put a stop to this, similar to what Nikon is doing. Some have instructed their US dealers not to sell to Canadians.

Now, I have my eye on a new sports car that is $30K cheaper in the states than in Canada, but I plan on using the address for my US house when I purchase. Do you have any friends who you could have the caera store ship to and then they re-ship to you?
 
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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:41 pm



Quoting Psyops (Reply 8):
Same issue is occurring with buying a car in the US and then driving it to Canada.

You beat me to it. But I'll add that camera gear was always the same too. Even a couple years ago when the CDN dollar was in the 80-90 cent range, some camera gear was 30, 40 percent more expensive than in the US. When I bought my D2x it was nearly $1500 more than in the US. With the latest Nikon releases the gap has closed substantially. I only paid about $300 more for my D3 than it was advertised on Adorama, B&H etc. I can only guess the extra $300 I paid funded Nikon's "screen the buyers" program...  Angry

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Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:05 am



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 5):
If you look on ebay, there are any number of business based in Hong Kong that will ship gear to the UK and they guarantee you will not have to pay VAT and duty. If you do end up paying VAT and duty, they will refund it. I know it all sounds "too good to be true", but these are reputable companies and, from what I've heard, are as good as their word.

I did that for my bigma and I had to pay the import duty. I sent digitalrev (the company I used) a picture of the tax bill thing and within hours I was sent £57 by them. Great service!

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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:23 am



Quoting Flipdewaf (Reply 10):
did that for my bigma and I had to pay the import duty. I sent digitalrev (the company I used) a picture of the tax bill thing and within hours I was sent £57 by them. Great service!

I looked up this deal but actually, it is not as good as it sounds.

You ARE paying the import tax but you are paying it to digitalrev in advance. They decided to collect all taxes in advance and refund anything to you if you need to pay anyway. I do think however it is a good service. It saves you time and trouble!

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Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:35 pm

Btw....do you mind telling us what you intend to buy?

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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:44 pm

There was a Wall Street Journal article on a similar issue about three weeks ago but instead of camera gear, the product was high end ladies handbags. Supposedly Coach, Hermes, and Saks are all now limiting the number of bags any one customer can purchase because of the number of Europeans coming over to NY and buying up large quantities for resale in Europe.

The author said that the situation has spread to all sorts of products and he recounts how standing in line at EWR waiting to check in, the girl in front of him had 200 pairs of expensive jeans in several suitcases and how she said that the price difference plus the favorable exchange rate was enough that she could easily finance her trip over to the states and make a profit.

I'd like to the article but the WSJ is a subscription only site.
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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:49 am



Quoting AKE0404AR (Reply 12):
Btw....do you mind telling us what you intend to buy?

I was looking for a D300 with battery pack.

Quoting Pope (Reply 13):
she said that the price difference plus the favorable exchange rate was enough that she could easily finance her trip over to the states and make a profit.

Very true. currently, If you buy just one prosumer camera body plus a lens in NY, the price difference with Europe is enough to fund the trip. Especially if you non-ref.

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Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:31 pm



Quoting Diezel (Reply 11):

I looked up this deal but actually, it is not as good as it sounds.

You ARE paying the import tax but you are paying it to digitalrev in advance. They decided to collect all taxes in advance and refund anything to you if you need to pay anyway. I do think however it is a good service. It saves you time and trouble!

Roel.

When I bought the lens the difference was only £20 so I saved myself £37.

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Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:30 pm



Quoting Diezel (Reply 11):
I looked up this deal but actually, it is not as good as it sounds.

You ARE paying the import tax but you are paying it to digitalrev in advance.

Hi all,

i just had a look at ebay UK and found an offer from digital-rev for the D3 at £2649,99.

The text says:

This is a special 'We pay the import fee if there is any' auction. £2649.99 plus P&P is all you ever need to spend in order to own this item.

Any import tax/duty/fee charged will be reimbursed by us in full, upon producing a customs receipt. The import tax is normally collected by the delivery driver at the door. Please keep the receipt and the customs fee sticker for reimbursement. Just post/fax/scan and email your customs receipt to us, and will we pay you the total amount on the receipt within 24 hours! !

*This offer applies to this auction only. This offer is for customers with UK shipping addresses only.


Now P&P is £89, so altogether i pay 2739,99, which converts to roughly 3700 Euro, which is really a bargain.

As i understand it, that is all i will have to pay, right?

Now, if that is the case i could ask a friend in the Uk to get one for me, as this offer is only for UK residents, and when i take it back to Germany i can pass customs without paying any more tax, as import taxes have already been collected in the UK.

Am i right with that?

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Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:03 pm



Quoting Beechcraft (Reply 16):
Now, if that is the case i could ask a friend in the Uk to get one for me, as this offer is only for UK residents, and when i take it back to Germany i can pass customs without paying any more tax, as import taxes have already been collected in the UK.

Am i right with that?

I think yes. This is the EU  Smile

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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:39 am



Quoting Viv (Reply 2):
If you are stopped by customs you will be asked to pay the EU import duty - plus VAT if you cannot prove you paid sales tax in the U.S. If you have not declared the items you may also be liable to pay a fine.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if he carries it with his other equipment, as if he had it to begin with, how would anyone know it was purchased in the US?
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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:25 am

You should be thrilled that Nikon wants to keep biohazardous material over here, rather than contaminate the rest of the world.

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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:06 am



Quoting GuamVICE (Reply 18):
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if he carries it with his other equipment, as if he had it to begin with, how would anyone know it was purchased in the US?

Well quite - I was wondering when someone would wake up to that fact!

I purchased a Minolta Dynax 4xi many, many years ago in Tenerife (part of Spain but outside the EU) and also bought a 70-210 APO lens for it, at a total cost of around £530.00 (at the time a hell of a lot cheaper than in the UK). I removed the warranty/registration documents, manuals, etc., stuffed them in the lining of my camera bag, discarded the boxes and pretended the camera had come out with me on the trip. We didn't get stopped but how would customs be any the wiser? The manual and other documents were in English, German, Spanish, etc. as they are universally around Europe, so it could have been bought anywhere. And who's to say that, should any documents be in Spanish, I didn't purchase the gear on a previous trip?

With reference to the Hong Kong thing, my friend has frequently used a company called Kia photo. Of the four items he's ordered so far, none were intercepted by customs, and had they been Kia promise to refund any duties. Looking at their satisfaction rating on Ebay I'd say they're pretty reliable!

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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:54 am



Quoting Viv (Reply 2):
If you are stopped by customs you will be asked to pay the EU import duty - plus VAT if you cannot prove you paid sales tax in the U.S. If you have not declared the items you may also be liable to pay a fine.

... best is to unpack the equipment, dispose the box, put it in your photo bag like you have owned the camera previously.
It's not very likely that you will checked by customs when entering to EU - although you never know.

In case "caught" I believe you have to pay the VAT anyway, regardless if sales tax in US has been paid or not.
Digital cameras has a 0% customs duty in the EU.

I was thinking of geting a D300 w/ battery pack from US... decided to get one from UK instead.
Would have been apprx. $2250 (with 8% sales tax) - apprx. EUR 1550
Got an offer from UK for apprx. £1300 -> apprx. EUR 1800 (included a Capture NX licence as an extra)

So would have been EUR 250 cheaper in the US but warranty would have not been valid in Europe for the camera bought from US!

UK price was still EUR 400 cheaper than the price in Finland or in Euro area in general.
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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:24 pm



Quoting DABZF (Reply 21):
... best is to unpack the equipment, dispose the box, put it in your photo bag like you have owned the camera previously.

Precisely what I have done in the past. No problem at all. I took the warranty documents and posted them to myself in a letter and just carried the new camera and lens in my bag with my other equipment.

One thing that does piss me off though is the differing prices around the world and the refusal of US retailers to sell to the UK. I recently went on to the US website of Adobe to order a US retail version of Photoshop CS3. The US price was $632 against a UK website price of £570. The US dollar price equates to £316, a saving of £254. What happened when I clicked to place an order ? I was immediately re-routed to the UK website and had to pay the UK price. As in everything else, we Brits are being ripped off left right and centre.
 
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RE: USA Won't Ship Nikon Gear To Europe Anymore

Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:14 pm

Does anyone know, if it´s possible to get a DigitalRev no VAT for the UK, by buying it with a german ebay account and having it shipped to a friend in the UK?

I directly asked the Company, but haven´t received an answer, because of the weekend, i guess.

Any help appreciated, time is running out  Smile

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