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New To The Hobbie

Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:04 am

Hello there all, I just wanted to say that I am new to the hobby and i am very excited in my upcoming adventures. I live in Goodyear, AZ and have been a avid fan of Aviation Photography. Now I dont know if I am good enough to get my pictures on this awsome site. I am a paramedic and have a hectic life with kids and family and my job and I can always look into the sky see a A/C on approach and just forget about all my worries. Well i want to continue that. i have a descent camera, not to cheap and not to expensive. So I will see what i can do. I think I will practise near my house in Goodyear, they have a commercial Airline graveyard about 2 miles from my house. My wife bought me Photoshop CS3 i think its called like $900 something crazy like that.

Question. I know that at first my pics will suck but can I post them here on the forum without sending them to Airlines.net?

Well i look forward to talking to you. And all your work rocks i dont care what anyone says. LOL


Take Care

Jason
 
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:40 pm

Welcome to the site and hobby, Jason!

You can certainly put photos here without officially submitting them. Just set up an account on a site like photobucket.com and post links here.

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USA1890
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:46 pm

Ok thats good I already have a Photobucket account. Does it have to be a link or can i post the actual pic?
 
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:22 am

Sorry for all the questions But I have seen guys with note pads writing things down. What would yo need a note pad for?
 
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:26 am



Quoting USA1890 (Reply 3):
What would yo need a note pad for?



They're taking down registrations and what not. We call them "reggies" or something of the sort. Sort of the same hobby, minus the camera of course.
I would love to fly a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong!
 
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:40 am



Quoting USA1890 (Reply 2):
Does it have to be a link or can i post the actual pic?

Welcome to A.net! Doesn't matter, as long as people can see the image.

Ah, GYR is a pretty cool airport, with some nice planes out there! Do you have photos from there? Hope to see them online soon!
 
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:44 am

I am planning to go there this weekend to practice my camera abilities. I just sold a 1967 Red Line Hotwheel and bought a new camera. So I will see what i can do. Looking forward to going. funny thing is my wife is going to the renasansee festaval sunday so I dont have to go...
 
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:54 am

Quoting USA1890 (Thread starter):
Photoshop CS3

Very good, IMHO editing is the most imporant thing to get a photo accepted (besides the actual taking the picture). If you are not familiar with photo editing, look around on the internet for workflows. Here is one by fellow A.net Photographer Fergul McCLean:
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/PsProc.pdf

Also, here are some general tips on the upload page, that may or may not help answer some questions:
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/

And here is a Illustrated Guide by a fellow photographer Thierry Deutch on reject reasons, he gives info about the rejection reason, and some photo examples to visually show what the issue looks like.

http://planecatcher.com/IGRR.htm

Hope that helps.
-Matt

[Edited 2008-02-21 19:57:11]
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:30 am

Thank you so much for all the info. it will be good reading at work. i am so excited. Selling something from one of my hobbies was well worth it to start a new hobby.
 
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:41 am



Quoting USA1890 (Thread starter):
Hello there all, I just wanted to say that I am new to the hobby and i am very excited in my upcoming adventures. I live in Goodyear, AZ and have been a avid fan of Aviation Photography. Now I dont know if I am good enough to get my pictures on this awsome site. I am a paramedic and have a hectic life with kids and family and my job and I can always look into the sky see a A/C on approach and just forget about all my worries. Well i want to continue that. i have a descent camera, not to cheap and not to expensive. So I will see what i can do. I think I will practise near my house in Goodyear, they have a commercial Airline graveyard about 2 miles from my house. My wife bought me Photoshop CS3 i think its called like $900 something crazy like that.

You can certainly post them on here, but only for a short period of time, otherwise the usual suspects will get a bit annoyed with you.

Don't get into it just to get photos on here, just try to enjoy it for the planes and a way to forget about the hectic life.

Photoshop CS3 is a great start as well.  Smile
 
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:22 pm

Welcome to A.net!

If you're new to photography as well, pick up a couple books to get a good foundation in photography:

"The Camera" teaches you all about how a camera works, the relationship between shutter, aperture and ISO, depth of field... all the stuff you'll have questions about.

"The Negative" covers exposure - how to really nail down exposure - something valuable when shooting contrasty aviation subjects.

Two others that are helpful are "The Print" and "Examples." The first one covers printing (of course). The second one, "Examples," is forty photos by the author with a discussion around how each one was captured, processed and printed - kind of a practical application of what you learned in the first three books.

All the above books are by the master of exposure himself, Ansel Adams, and are available on Amazon.

B
 
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:53 pm

which Redlines were they?
 
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:18 pm

If you want to shoot in RAW (and really take advantage of Adobe Camera RAW and Bridge in CS3) I highly reccomend Real World Camera RAW by the late Bruce Fraser and his replacement, Jeff Schewe.

http://www.amazon.com/Real-World-Cam...UTF8&s=books&qid=1203783423&sr=8-1

I own it and even if you've been doing RAW for years it's a very enlightening read.
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:04 pm



Quoting Je89_w (Reply 5):
Welcome to A.net! Doesn't matter, as long as people can see the image.

Ah, GYR is a pretty cool airport, with some nice planes out there! Do you have photos from there? Hope to see them online soon

Yes I have shot at GYR and love that place. In fact I am cruising through in a couple of weeks so if you want to meet up drop me a PM. I hear there is a 747 there now. Would like to get it if I can.

Welcome to the site, good luck and look forward to seeing some of your stuff. Keep us posted.
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:28 am

Well guys today was my first Planeshooting adventure. I went this morining to KPHX with my son and although it was partly cloudy I still said what the heck lets go. So we pack the camera and bionoclurs and headed out. We stopped at 40th st and Airlane in the dirt field and my camera is not the best yet so I went a couple places else like SWIFT and
FED EX and got a couple good shots of Private jets and other junk that I found cool. Then we drove around went to this parking garage and went to the top level and I was in heaven. I will post only a couple shots I dont want to anger anyone.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee314/ChromeShot/Picture017.jpg
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee314/ChromeShot/Picture014.jpg


But I had a blast. I am hooked I am going to Barnes and nobles after work and pick up some books on photography and I might even want to take a class at the Community College not sure though. I work in a Truama Center so I dont want anymore school.

I sold a Hot wheel red line #6206 Custom Mustang to buy a new camera but my wife said try this one that we have and see if it works and if not then you can go buy a new one. Its a Fuji Digital 3800 3.2 mega pixels 6* opitcal zoom. I really dont like it to slow and the zoom sucks so I will do my reseach and get it. But I dont want to start off to expensive I want to work my way to the best. If you guys have any kinda cheap $600-$700 dollar is my max.

My wife went to the reinacance festival today, tried to talk me into going and I said no its not worth the money. She came home all angry She spent 100.00 on this trip. I laughed at her and she is like what? It only cost me $3.00 for a parking pass.

And yes that 747 is at GDY I drive by it every day. I am going to get a pic of it also. I am going to KTUC for a meeting and I think I am going to Davis Monthon to the grave-yard. And my buddy works by PIMA airfield. Well thanks guys for all the info. I am very greatful. And I could use some really good constructive thoughts from you on my 2 Pictures.

Thanks

Jason
 
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:10 am

Unfortunately, those pics won't make it (even with editing).

Quoting USA1890 (Reply 14):
Its a Fuji Digital 3800 3.2 mega pixels 6* opitcal zoom

You'll need atleast 4 Megapixels, even now 6 MP is becoming obsolete.

Quoting USA1890 (Reply 14):
If you guys have any kinda cheap $600-$700 dollar is my max.

Maybe a used DSLR and a decent lens for that much.

Canon EOS 300D, you can get one used for around 300 bucks I think.

And that'll leave you with around 400 bucks for a decent telephoto zoom lens.

Key tip with DSLR's. The glass in the front of the cmaera is more important than the camera itself.

The more money you put into your lenses, the better your pictures, that's why I suggest [if you're looking at a DSLR] to not buy the best body availabe, and spend the change on the lenses.

Play around with some ideas, and see what fits your needs and/or wallet.

-Matt
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Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:19 am



Quoting USA1890 (Reply 14):
And I could use some really good constructive thoughts from you on my 2 Pictures.

They are not bad, they are actually very good for your first outing (way better than mine), the quality just isn't there.

1) Needs to be cropped in on Photoshop to center the aircraft, right now it is left and high of center.

2) Distance, not close enough to the airplane.

Since you are using a point and shoot, go through the menus and turn OFF Digital Zoom, Digital Zoom is a bad thing, only optical zoom.

Unfortunately, this is a case where the megapixels are holding you back. A megapixel is a million pixels, the larger the megapixels, the larger the image, the larger the image gives you the most to work with in photo editing.

Please, post as many shots as you want (within reason  Wink ). Try with your best 10 shots and we'll see if any will make it.

-Matt
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:26 am



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 15):
a decent telephoto zoom lens.



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 15):
Key tip with DSLR's. The glass in the front of the cmaera is more important than the camera itself.

With Jason's budget in mind, what lenses would you recommend? I'm at a very similar skill level and budget, myself.

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Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:41 am



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 17):
With Jason's budget in mind, what lenses would you recommend? I'm at a very similar skill level and budget, myself.

I'm thinking of buying the SIgma AF 135-400 f/4.5-5.6 APO for a Canon 400D. But I already own the body, so it changes the story a little in terms of fitting a budget.

It's around 500-550 bucks. Of course, 550 bucks is a lot of money to me, a 14 year old with no job.

Of course, with 700 bucks as Jason's max budget, that lens plus a used body might overshoot his budget by a little. Every airport is different, I live near OKC which is where I spot the most, and 300-400 MM is necessary, PHX might be a different story from the parking garage and he may need around 100-250 mm, I'm not sure.

So, in the end of the day, 400mm might be waaaay more than what is needed, so figuire out what your airport, or airports you spot at often, needs, then find the lens to suit it.

Or if you mainly shoot wingshots, then a small lens (18-55, 28-80 etc.) is all you need.

-Matt

P.S. 2H4, what is your budget? When I get home from school tomorrow I'll see what camera body + lens packages I can come up with.

P.S. Jason, I'll do the same for you tomorrow when I get home from school.
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:50 am



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 18):
P.S. 2H4, what is your budget? When I get home from school tomorrow I'll see what camera body + lens packages I can come up with.

Thanks for the info. I'm not sure what my budget will be yet....I'm building a new road bike, so it will depend on how crazy I get with high-end parts, and how much money is left over.

Ideally, I'm thinking 8-10mp and maybe a 200mm lens. All I really know is that Nikon bodies seem to fit my hand better.

I'll be out of town for a couple of days, so please excuse any delayed response.

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RE: New To The Hobbie

Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:41 pm

G'day Jason,

Welcome to an addictive hobby  Wink

Good effort to start out with.

I'm no expert and relatively new to the hobby, caveats aside ... From looking at your South West 738 pic, (interesting angle - nothing much like it in the DB that I have seen) you seem to have the background in focus and the AC (Aircraft) is slightly out of focus.

One way to overcome this is to 'lock on' to the AC with the Auto Focus function and then track the AC (Pan the camera with the AC as it moves ... should be easy as it would only be taxiing) and then take the shot when the plane is in the position you want.

When I first started I just rocked up to the Airport and started snapping away, however what I've found is that if I do a little mental preparation before I shoot and think about what I want to achieve then I'll have better outcomes ... also trial and error goes a long way as well!

As the guys above have said try to crop in closer to the AC. Look up this AC in the photo database using its rego (N506SW) and this will give you and idea of what crop is acceptable.

I find the Frontier pic has an interesting motive, I can see what you are trying to do. You've got the car park framed well in the background and have made the AC overpass discernable by showing the road sings on it and empty space underneath.

However Airliners.net is about ... well ... Aircraft! I've got heaps of shots that are interestingly framed like this one but they'll never get accepted on here ... but I don't really care because they are interesting to me.

>" I laughed at her and she is like what? It only cost me $3.00 for a parking pass.">

Mate, fellow spotters are only too keen to help you out but no one wants to hear you make fun of your wife ... it's just not cricket! (Just explaining not complaining)

Good luck with the bike, work /family / hobby balance and good luck with getting a new Camera.

If you ever get to SYD, only to happy to show you around.
Have a great day.
Cheers
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:35 am

You are very lucky to have PHX in your hometown. Great airport to shoot at on a regular basis to help your skill along.
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:34 am



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 19):
Ideally, I'm thinking 8-10mp and maybe a 200mm lens. All I really know is that Nikon bodies seem to fit my hand better.

I'll be out of town for a couple of days, so please excuse any delayed response.

Well, if Nikon fits better, more power to yah. I'm a Canon guy so I have little knowledge of what's considered bad, good, decent, etc. with the Nikon's.

Don't worry about a delayed response, it took three days to find some spare time to make this one post.

Jason, I'll look up some Canon SLR packages tomorrow, as it's a school night and I need to get in bed (I got 2 tests tomorrow), if you are interested in Nikon, Sony, Olympus, I'm sorry, I can't help you as like I said before, I don't have any knowledge on those brands.

Go to Best Buy or some local Camera store and try out a few different SLR's or advanced point and shoots, I suggest DSLR, but it's up to you what you want.

Quick Definition if you don't know already:
DSLR - the cameras with detatchable lenses (Basically, that's just so you know what the difference [physically] is.).
Advanced Point and Shoot - looks like a DSLR sorta, but the lens isn't removable, and most of the time zoom is controlled by a button on the camera body instead of by the hand on the lens.

Good luck to the both of you,
-Matt
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RE: New To The Hobbie

Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:58 am

Jason,

Here is what I found Canon wise, just a quick search, not an in depth search.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...0209B003_EOS_Digital_Rebel_XT.html

That includes the normal accessories (battery, neck strap, etc.) plus an Canon EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-5.6. That lens is only useful for wingshots, or shots of planes that are very close to you on display (e.g. Airshow, or if you have ramp access ramp shots.).

For a total of 459.95, we'll round to 460, and lets say your budget is 700, that leaves you with 240 for a telephoto lens. Which for a good telephoto lens can run up to 500+ dollars depending on how good.

But for your skill level, an average Canon EF 75-300 f/4-5.6 should work, if you decide you don't want to continue with this hobby after you get the camera, atleast you didn't spend a whole bunch on stuff that you won't use.

You can search here for different lenses, use the menus on the left to filter the results. READ THE REVIEWS and ask here before you consider purchasing it, to see if the lens can get good enough results to get accepted here. (That is, you are looking for SLRs)

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...Telephoto&basicSubmit=Submit+Query

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