andrewC75
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Newbie Rejection Questions

Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:03 pm

I just need a little guidance. I really thought this photo would make it. First time, it was rejected as "dirty"... there was a dust spot I missed, fixed, and resubmitted. Then it was rejected for colors, focus, and contrast.

http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...01_IMG_2462_DL_N147PQ_ATL_1024.jpg

Questions:

1. Why were these additional issues not included in the initial rejection (*all* I did was remove the dust)?
2. I'm probably just a blind newbie, but what about the colors, focus, and contrast are wrong with this photo?

TIA.

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:33 am

White doesn't look right - it looks a little tint
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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:11 am

I see a greenish tint on the fuselage. That's where the color rejection came from, also you have too much contrast in the image. Take the contrast down.

The focus, that just means the image is out of focus, resulting in a slight blur to the image. 99.99999999% of the time this is un-recoverable, meaning it won't have a chance at airliners.net even with top-notch editing.

For a newbie at photography (I assume from your original post), you got a good shot, way better than my first shot.

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:14 am

I have to agree with Matt. There is a slight green cast, and the image was clearly a bit blurry to begin with. I don't think this shot can be saved, but if you send me the original I will see what I can do.

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:14 am

What the others have said is correct, but this is really good for a first upload. I would just add that the aircraft is a little bit too low in the frame.

Keep them coming!
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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:05 pm

Thanks to all for your comments. I guess I can barely see the green tint. I have to admit, I'm pretty frustrated so far with getting photos accepted on a.net. I have one in the DB, and 4 or 5 rejections, all but one of which I was pretty sure would make it.

OK, here's the original... Show me how it's done!
http://www.mypcgenius.com/images/IMG_2462.JPG

And while I'm trying to get acquainted with A.net standards, here's another one that was just rejected for color:
http://www.airliners.net/procphotos/...MG_2365_DL_764_N834MH_ATL_1280.JPG

And the original:
http://www.mypcgenius.com/images/IMG_2365.JPG

Follow up question: is my use of GIMP a big issue? Do I really *need* PS or PSP if I can learn to use GIMP?

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:06 pm



Quoting AndrewC75 (Reply 5):
Thanks to all for your comments. I guess I can barely see the green tint. I have to admit, I'm pretty frustrated so far with getting photos accepted on a.net. I have one in the DB, and 4 or 5 rejections, all but one of which I was pretty sure would make it.

We all get frustrate with rejections, most of the time photos I think are gonna make it, get rejected, and photos I think have no chance, get accepted right away.


That second shot is GREAT compared to that first. The colors are a little off and I agree with that rejection. I'll have a re-edit for you in 20 minutes.

I suggest PhotoShop, but if you know how to properly use GIMP I think you'd be fine. Of course, it doesn't offer the tools that PhotoShop does.

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:11 pm

Well, someone else will need to take a stab at it. My Photoshop is really screwing me around. I had edited your second pic and when I went to save, Photoshop closed without warning, and now when I open a pic up in it, it says I don't have enough RAM....

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:27 pm



Quoting AndrewC75 (Thread starter):
*all* I did was remove the dust

Be careful with this. When you save your work as JPG there's always a lost of quality. If you process your pic from the original and save your work, there's only one time you lose quality. But if you re-process this pic, as you said, there's two points of quality loss.
if a pic of mine is rejected (more times than I'd like to admit...), if it was rejected by quality related issues (not info rejection) I rework the pic from the original, never from the rejected photo.
Hope it's useful.

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:33 pm

Matt - Thanks for the try. I appreciate it. Stil - So should I save my work in the app's native format too (for GIMP, that's XCF)? That way, if I need to re-process it, I can go back to that one rather than the original JPEG (I'm not inclined to try RAW editing) or the processed JPEG?

Thanks,
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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:00 pm

Andrew:
There's no need of saving your work in any special format, with or without compression. Always work from the original pic trying to have the lesser saving points in your workflow between the original image and the uploaded pic, having in mind that every time you save the image, you loss quality due compression.
I know the benefits of using RAW, but I don't feel comfortable with it. I use JPG as well.

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:33 pm

Andrew, your shot of the 767-400 is great. I did a quick edit for you - the major issue seemed to be the dust and your white balance. As for sharpening, I applied two passes of USM in Photoshop CS 3 (one pass at full size of 500 and 0.2 radius, and another pass of 250 at 0.2 radius).

By the way, I noticed quite a few dust spots on your images - perhaps it's time to get a sensor cleaning? If I may recommend Showcase Photo & Video (off Piedmont Rd. in Buckhead), they do great sensor cleanings at a good price. Anyway, here's the edited image:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a350/refleckt/N834MH_ForAndrewCohen_1.jpg

Good luck!

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:59 pm

The fact that you own a DSLR at your skill level is good. It'll give you lot's of room to expand without worrying if your equipment will let you expand.

May I ask, what lenses do you own for your Canon 350D?

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:44 pm

I definitely think the 767 is a good shot, with Chris' edit it looks real sharp. You've got a great start, Andrew.

An easy way to detect color casts (most of the time) is your eyedropper and info palette. Look at the RGB breakdowns, once you get the hang of it you'll be a pro in no time. If you're running over a gray and it's not breaking out neutral (eg, all 3 values are the same), you'll easily be able to spot a color cast. Obviously this won't be true in the sunset hours (you'll have a reddish/yellow hue, duh) but for daylight it's excellent.

As far as dust goes, use the equalize command, that'll bring it right out.
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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:14 am



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 12):
May I ask, what lenses do you own for your Canon 350D?

OK, please don't laugh too much. I have the kit 18-55mm, and a Tamron AF F/4-5.6 70-300mm Di. While I would absolutely love the 70-300 IS USM lens or the 100-400 L , it won't be in the budget for a while. But I know I can still take some good shots within the limits of the lens. I've discovered that it's almost totally useless above 200mm, tripod or not. I've only been shooting with this camera (my first SLR) since January. I'm pretty technically inclined, so understanding the mechanics of photography came pretty easily. I still have a lot to learn about the art of photography, however.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 11):
By the way, I noticed quite a few dust spots on your images - perhaps it's time to get a sensor cleaning?

It's been cleaned since I took that shot, but with two dogs and a cat, dust is just a part of life in my house.

I definitely see the difference in color between my edit and yours Chris. I think I can work fixing that into my repertoire. We'll see what I can do with the shots I took this weekend at ATL. BTW Chris... I saw N701DN hiding over next to the WA MD11 at the TOC. Too bad it wasn't on better display.
 
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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:13 am

It's a good shot, but like some others said, it's got that green tint. It's also got a little bit of blur on it. Try fixing those, and upload it again. Good luck! (BTW-I know how you feel. I've gotten several pics rejected too.)
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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:01 am



Quoting AndrewC75 (Reply 14):
BTW Chris... I saw N701DN hiding over next to the WA MD11 at the TOC. Too bad it wasn't on better display.

As for N701DN, I've been all over this bird since it landed:





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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:17 am



Quoting AndrewC75 (Reply 14):
OK, please don't laugh too much. I have the kit 18-55mm, and a Tamron AF F/4-5.6 70-300mm Di. While I would absolutely love the 70-300 IS USM lens or the 100-400 L , it won't be in the budget for a while.

Don't worry bro, look at my profile, you have better lenses than I do. I have the Tampon, err, Tamron AF 75-300 f/4-5.6 LD.

I can't get one pic accepted with my 75-300. All the pics come out blurry, even at F8 1/500.

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:17 am

OK, I took another stab at the 767-400, starting with the original. What say you?

http://www.mypcgenius.com/images/IMG...2365_DL_764_N834MH_ATL_1280_v2.JPG

I'm a 1280 kind-of-guy. Maybe I'm shooting myself in the foot, but I've always found the 1024 photos too small at current monitor sizes.
 
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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:41 am



Quoting AndrewC75 (Reply 18):
I'm a 1280 kind-of-guy. Maybe I'm shooting myself in the foot, but I've always found the 1024 photos too small at current monitor sizes.

200 pixels doesn't make THAT much difference, it gets down to personal preference really.

Regarding your shot,

I say that it's just a touch oversharpened, and the quality seems to have lowered IMHO.

I would ask Chris if I could upload his edit. But, if you want to replicate the result of Chris' edit, it's a good learning experience.

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:31 am

Resurrection alert....OK, I have edited another 20-30 photos, and then decided to go back to the 764 to see if I'm getting the hang of it. What do you think?

Big version: Width: 1280 Height: 853 File size: 515kb
 
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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:35 am



Quoting AndrewC75 (Reply 20):
What do you think?

Sorry to say this but the quality just still isn't there. There is a LOT of grain which will kill the shot.

You can try two things. First of all, re-size to 1024 pixels when editing. I know you said you found that size too small, but this will reduce the number of visible flaws in the image. Also, use a noise reduction tool if you can get one, like NoiseNinja or something similar.

A question I have is, can you list all the settings you used in this image?
ISO, shutter speed, aperture, file format, etc?

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RE: Newbie Rejection Questions

Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:46 am



Quoting AndrewC75 (Reply 20):
Resurrection alert....OK, I have edited another 20-30 photos, and then decided to go back to the 764 to see if I'm getting the hang of it. What do you think?

A word of advice: stick to 1024 by 768 resolution until you "get the hang of it" as you put it - then start experimenting with larger resolutions. I'd also stick with RAW format.

Additionally, it's over-exposed, grainy (kills the shot), and over-sharpened. If I may ask, what type of screen are you editing on? That usually makes a big difference.
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