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Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:55 pm

Hi all,

As the title says, I'm looking for a good-quality scanner to scan film negatives. Would anyone like to recommend one? I only did a little bit of research and I read a few good things about the Canon CanoScan 8800F. Is it reasonable?

BTW, what kind of resolution should I expect from 35mm film?

Thanks!

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:17 am

I too have been looking into this. My budget isn't crazy, perhaps £300 ($600) maximum - any chance of a (half) decent negative scanner for this or am I dreaming? Don't know much about scanners.....

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:02 am



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 1):
My budget isn't crazy, perhaps £300 ($600) maximum

I was actually looking to spend less!!!

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:00 am

I am using the Canon 8400F (cheap flatbed scanner). Not the best scanner, but sufficient to get scans accepted here (if the originals are reasonable).

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:19 am

I use the Canon Canoscan 4400F that works OK for slides and negatives (as well as regular scans) and should cost you less than $100.

Got many scans on here with it.

The resolution is what you want it to be, within the limits of the machine. I scan to get an image of around 3600x2400 pix then process it (remove dust, etc).
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:22 pm



Quoting Walter2222 (Reply 3):
Canon 8400F



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 4):
Canon Canoscan 4400F

Great stuff! I imagine the 8400F is the better? How much is that? Do these scanners have some sort of special cradle to put your neg's in to scan them? I assume they are meant to scan neg's?

I always thought that scanners which can process neg's cost an absolute fortune?

Karl
 
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:40 pm

If you guys don't mind looking for a used scanner, the Minolta Dimage Scan series is an excellent option. They're tough to find used though because they are just so good... but I can't recommend anything else; from my own personal use it brings exemplary output.

If a brand new unit is a must, the Nikon Coolscan 5000 is also an equally good choice.
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:57 pm



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 5):
Do these scanners have some sort of special cradle to put your neg's in to scan them? I assume they are meant to scan neg's?

Yes, in mine there's a special holder that clips into the cover and holds 4 slides or a strip of 6 negatives. Any slides/negs are backlit from a light in the cover.

Quoting JakTrax (Reply 5):
I always thought that scanners which can process neg's cost an absolute fortune?

The ones specifically for negatives usually are, but I think they have a higher resolution than an A4 flatbed scanner.
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:08 pm

Canon 4400F or Epson Perfection V200, both £69.99 (US$135.00) @ Jessops.com.

Which one would anyone recommend?

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:16 pm



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 7):
The ones specifically for negatives usually are, but I think they have a higher resolution than an A4 flatbed scanner.

Yes. The best ones (like the Nikon Coolpix 9000) are expensive but give great results when used properly.
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:39 pm

As an example from my scanner (when they were a bit more amenable at CDG.)

This is more or less a full size KC64 slide scan at 3900x2600 straight from the scanner (but sized at 1024x683 by flickr). Beware dust. You might not be able to see it but you will scan it.

tu-tam_cdg_0886

And this is the nose at 1024x683, so full size as scanned. The jags in various places suggest that the the scanning resolution is a bit high (scanner "pixels" bigger than corresponding detail on the photo)

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:44 pm

Hi , The minolta dimage scan elite 5400 is a very good dedicated scanner for both
negs and slides , i dont think however that minolta make these now so i guess
you would have to search for a used one ? A few years back a decent quality
film scanner was about £400 plus , there are cheaper ones available now i
think such as flatbed scanners that will do both print and negs - slides etc .
I would say though that if you have a lot of film negs or slides that you want
to preserve then go for a dedicated film scanner as these produce high quality
images .
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:51 pm

To be honest, if Oly720man can get images accepted here using a Canon 4400F, the reproduction quality can't be bad at all.

Think I'm gonna order the Canon from Amazon, at £59.99 inc. delivery - I looked at the Epson but think I'd rather go with the Canon. Good decision?

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:59 am



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 6):
If you guys don't mind looking for a used scanner, the Minolta Dimage Scan series is an excellent option. They're tough to find used though because they are just so good... but I can't recommend anything else; from my own personal use it brings exemplary output.

Absolutely agree

I had a Nikon Coolscan III that failed. I had always considered that to be pretty good and went to buy a Coolscan IV simply because the Minolta one had been discontinued, though it had the best reviews. When I got to the shop they actually had a few Minolta Dimage Scan Elite on offer as a discontinued line and I bought one as it was considerably cheaper than the Nikon
What a move ?
The results are superb with excellent shadow and highlight detail, far far better than the Nikon and I had to rescan a lot that I had done before. The only downside is that it is rather slow particularly when Digital ICE is used (the Elite 2 was faster). Whilst capable of scanning at 5400 DPI I generally scan at 2700 or 1800 for here
I also have a Canonscan 9950F (a flatbed) on which I can scan 120 film negs and transparencies. It gives good results with 35mm too and whilst the resolution is the same as my dedicated 35mm scanner, I do not find the shadow detail as good (and that is very important for good scans)
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:18 pm

I use the CanoScan 8600F and SilverFast software, I'm very satisfied with that.
A small warning: scanning negatives is very addictive!

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:05 pm

(apologies for the late reply here!)

Thanks all for the very useful information. Does anyone know what the differences between the Canon 9950F, 8600F, and 8800F are? Thanks.

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:53 am

Hey Tony,

Took the plunge yesterday and bought a CanoScan 4400F (as recommended above). My initial budget was double what this cost (£70 or US$135), however the recommendations regarding its capability convinced me that I really didn't need to spend the extra (I think!).

I haven't given it a blast yet but I'll let you know ASAP how it does and I'll try and post some scans.

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:16 am



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 16):
Took the plunge yesterday and bought a CanoScan 4400F (as recommended above).

I hope you like it. I've had mine for over 18 months now and it's worked fine, when the kids give me enough time to use it.



Quoting SNATH (Reply 15):
Does anyone know what the differences between the Canon 9950F, 8600F, and 8800F are? Thanks.

The 9950F seems to do every type of film

http://www.photo-i.co.uk/Reviews/int...ve/Scanners/Canon_9950F/page_1.htm

Comparison of 8800 and 8600, along with software comparison here

http://www.stockholmviews.com/canon_8800f_review/8800fpage1.html

8600 vs 9950 here
http://www.stockholmviews.com/canon_8600f_review/8600fpage1.html
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:27 pm

Oly720man, have you any accepted images here with the 4400F using 35mm standard film (i.e. Fuki Superia 200, which is mainly what I used to use)?

Cheers,

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:37 pm



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 18):
Oly720man, have you any accepted images here with the 4400F using 35mm standard film

These are scanned from colour negatives (I haven't got round to doing that many yet)


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Click on the name and I generally say on the photo remarks whether they're slide, print or negative if they're not the occasional digital camera shot.
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:48 pm

Wow! Those results look really good! I'm just installing the bugger now so hopefully for the benefit of the OP I can post some of my own scans shortly. Oly720man, many thanks for your help in making me make my choice.

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:03 pm



Quoting JakTrax (Reply 20):
Oly720man, many thanks for your help in making me make my choice.

Glad to help. I look forward to seeing some scans.

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:34 pm

Well, I think I'm doing something wrong 'cause my first scan is terrible...

Big version: Width: 3504 Height: 2336 File size: 2676kb


Taken from Fuji Superia 200. Any ideas? Bear in mind I've only just plugged the thing in and this is my very first scan.

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:02 pm

OK, silly post above - should have read the on-screen manual instead of just the basic scanning guide! I've gone into advanced negative scanning so hopefully the next result will be much, much better...  crossfingers 

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:24 pm

Karl
If you have used a lot of higher ISO film like 200 you are probably going to need a noise reduction programme.
Neat Image is dreadful if abused but very good if used at low levels and the free version at www.neatimage.com will suffice.
When all else fails, read the instructions.
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:44 pm

OK, thanks Mick, I'm gonna have a good read of the manual tonight to see if I can get my head round it all.

Do you think though that good scans (using neatimage too) are possible from Superia 200? Apart from the dust issues and the grain with the SV MD-90 is there anything else there stopping it from being a good scan. In all honesty it doesn't look too sharp to me.

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:13 pm

Just had a quick go at it and got this...

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:25 pm



Quoting Oly720man (Reply 19):
These are scanned from colour negatives (I haven't got round to doing that many yet
These from prints)

Given similar quality scanners, which method should give the best results - scanning from negatives or prints?

I am using digital now and have scanned pretty well all the colour prints I need. However I have a lot of old B/W pics I want to scan, as well as a lot of old colour slides. I am getting a combined slide/negative scanner but am wondering whether to use it or my print scanner for the old B/W stuff.,

I guess I can answer my own question by trying it both ways,
 
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:35 pm



Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 27):
Given similar quality scanners, which method should give the best results - scanning from negatives or prints?

Negs will win every time.
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:30 am

OK folks, here's my first decent scan (I think!). Comments good and bad welcome.

Big version: Width: 3504 Height: 2336 File size: 859kb


Is it alright quality-wise? Anything more I can do? Is it rare enough to have a crack at uploading or am I far away from that point with my scanning expertise (or lack of) at the moment?

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:12 pm

Think I'm kinda getting the hang of this - would this be worthy of uploading to the database?

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 683 File size: 197kb


Thanks,

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:27 pm

Both of those look good enough to make it, (the Let too especially if re-sized to 1024x pixels and post-processed so the defects will be less evident). I've had scans that look a lot worse than this straight after the scan and prior to processing which have become acceptable with some work in Photoshop.

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:14 pm

I usually scan as a .tiff. Then, clean any defects such as dust, scratches or other spots using Paintshop or Photoshop. Of course, any color or contrast should be fixed. Then I resize and finally save as a .jpeg. The final product is what gets uploaded.
 
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:30 pm



Quoting 113312 (Reply 32):
I usually scan as a .tiff. Then, clean any defects such as dust, scratches or other spots using Paintshop or Photoshop. Of course, any color or contrast should be fixed. Then I resize and finally save as a .jpeg. The final product is what gets uploaded.

 checkmark 

Most old slides tend to have color casts, and if not corrected, the shot will be rejected. I had a lot of problems seeing this, but with a lot of help from Mick Bajcar (and examples, and editing help) my scan-results have improved (I am still not perfect but the rejections and the explanation on how to improve have helped me a lot!).

It is also good practise to write in the note to screeners that is a scan. I always include the year of the original (pre-1990's and rare shots get a not-so-tough screening  Smile...).

PS: Be aware, scanning and browsing through old slides/pictures is addictive...

Best regards,

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:33 pm

Karl
Neither are there yet. It is not as easy as it looks and it has taken me a long time to get things right. A lot of my accepted early scans are rubbish and I would suggest spending time getting things right before you start to upload rather than wasting time as I have to by re-uploading.
You will find that the commonest colour cast on these scans is magenta, a reddy-blue and the older the image the stronger this seems to get, presumably due to a dye fading. This is very visible on the LET and it is probably exaggerated by the saturation being too high. If you use Photoshop CS2, press Ctrl+B and add a little green until the pinky cast to the grey sky disappears.
Using the curve Ctrl+M can help a lot with the old scans and this tutorial is superb
http://www.thegoldenmean.com/technique/curves1.html

Someone has already warned that it can become addictive
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:44 pm



Quoting Dendrobatid (Reply 34):
Someone has already warned that it can become addictive

Er, yeah, haven't stopped since 7am.....

Mick, thanks for the tips, however in all honesty I've only had a two-minute play in PSE5.0 to achieve those results. Colour casts I can probably correct pretty easily, I was more after opinions on sharpness and noise - how are these issues with my scans? Are they sharp enough (or over-sharpened) and have I used Neatimage to maximum effect? If I corrected the casts would they make it here?

Thanks for the feedback, very valuable indeed!

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Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:49 pm

Karl
Use my profile to contact me please
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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:10 pm

I would normally put this in the pre-screen thread but I think we'd lose track of where we're at if I did that. Here's a re-edit of the Caribair LET410 - it looks much better to me but I really don't know 100% so if an expert (such as Mick) could give an opinion that'd be great.

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 683 File size: 193kb


Would this one make it here?

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:02 am



Quoting Dvincent (Reply 28):
Negs will win every time.

Thanks. I was hoping that would be the case since my B/W prints are rather small.

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RE: Can Anyone Recommend A Good Negative Scanner?

Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:49 pm

This is a very good read for people that want to know somewhat more about scanning:

http://www.scantips.com/ (by Wayne Fulton)

PS: Most of the info can be found on the webpages, but I have also ordered the printed version (it was only about 24 US dollars - for 240 pages packed with valuable info - when I ordered it) to support the writer for bringing all this info together in one document.

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