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Motive Rejection: Advice - Clarification Sought

Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:32 pm

I'm having trouble understanding the logic/reasoning behind a rejection I received recently within the last week.

Rejected for one reason: motive.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/rejections/big/20080831_737-4_2.jpg

The screener left a message that said "737-4_2.jpg only overviews for sims". I'm not whining about this at all. I'd like for the screeners to comment on and clarify their reasoning if possible.

And yet, a photo (which is a great shot btw, not smearing the photographer or anything) with similar motive/composition was recently accepted. Granted, it's not a simulator, but a cockpit of an actual aircraft - but what's the difference? This just seems like a silly rule, doesn't it?

And then, just a few minutes ago, this shot I had in the cue was accepted:


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Motive Rejection: Advice - Clarification Sought

Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:52 pm

Chris, did you see my reply in the other thread before our posts got deleted? You said in that thread that it was rejected for motive. Well, I would say the motive is quite different than your accepted shot. The possible issues I outlined were that the crop was too wide for the throttle console to be considered the main focus, yet not wide enough for the displays to add anything to the shot (since they are cut off). I think it would look better if you cropped a little tighter, moved the throttle console higher in the frame and avoid cutting off the engine fire switches. If possible...

Apologies if you already read that...posted it again just in case you missed my previous comment...since it was deleted for housekeeping reasons.  

But on the issue of sims...I don't know.

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Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:58 pm



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):
not smearing the photographer or anything) with similar motive/composition was recently accepted. Granted, it's not a simulator, but a cockpit of an actual aircraft - but what's the difference?

The difference is clear. A simulator is not an aircraft.
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Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:02 pm



Quoting Viv (Reply 2):
The difference is clear. A simulator is not an aircraft.

the one accepted is also from a simulator
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RE: Motive Rejection: Advice - Clarification Sought

Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:06 pm

Quoting Viv (Reply 2):
The difference is clear. A simulator is not an aircraft.

And does the Airliners.net viewer particularly care if a cockpit shot is that of a simulator or of an actual aircraft?

I'd venture to say no.

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 1):
But on the issue of sims...I don't know.

I saw your earlier reply before it was nuked. My main reason for posting this isn't of the rejection itself (since another shot taken that night was accepted anyway). But it just seems ludicrous to me to apply a silly rule to simulators.

In retrospect, I'm glad the accepted shot got in...

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Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:14 pm



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 4):
And does the Airliners.net viewer particularly care if a cockpit shot is that of a simulator or of an actual aircraft?

I'd venture to say no.

I'm pretty sure its not a rule since you already have a sim cockpit shot (which is awsome btw  Wink )
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RE: Motive Rejection: Advice - Clarification Sought

Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:37 pm



Quoting Viv (Reply 2):
The difference is clear. A simulator is not an aircraft.

First I would like to say I am against Sim shots being acceptable here, tho means very little for the site allows it. Second I will say your shot is nice Chris but the motive is a tough one to pull off.

Getting to the shot you got in the DB I would have to say Ryan is right, much different motive and much better.

Not sure what to do, maybe crop closer and get rid of the instruments. Hard to say. Maybe an email and private convo with screener would yield results.
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Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:44 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
First I would like to say I am against Sim shots being acceptable here, tho means very little for the site allows it.

Why? I'm just curious.
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Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:51 pm



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 7):
Why? I'm just curious.

IMO it's cheating. I mean what if I can go to Dave and Busters and get a shot from that flight Sim game into the DB? I feel the object of aviation photography is to actually photgraph aircraft. Not a machine used to help us learn to fly them.
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Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:54 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
I mean what if I can go to Dave and Busters and get a shot from that flight Sim game into the DB?

Of course that's your opinion. I would argue that flight simulator cockpit shots have brought a lot of traffic to the site over the years. Just do a Google search for something like '737 simulator photo' - an Airliners.net hit appears on the first page of results.
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Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:58 pm



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
Of course that's your opinion. I would argue that flight simulator cockpit shots have brought a lot of traffic to the site over the years. Just do a Google search for something like '737 simulator photo' - an Airliners.net hit appears on the first page of results.

Oh no question, that goes without saying. Everyone knows flight deck shots bring a ton of views. I just feel they should be of an actual flight deck and not a sim.
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Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:25 pm



Quoting Flynavy (Thread starter):

The screener left a message that said "737-4_2.jpg only overviews for sims". I'm not whining about this at all. I'd like for the screeners to comment on and clarify their reasoning if possible.

I'd say the message means that simulator shots should show a "complete" flight deck ("overview"), not just one detail of it - as your rejected shot does.
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Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:33 pm

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 11):
I'd say the message means that simulator shots should show a "complete" flight deck ("overview"), not just one detail of it - as your rejected shot does.

And that's my point - why? There are photos in the database (some accepted recently as I said, all of which are fine shots) that are not "complete" flight decks. Why should a shot of a simulator be required to show a complete flight deck?

Other than, of course, "...just because we said so."

Had I not uploaded this shot indicating it was a simulator, it would have been accepted. And therein lies the issue here.

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Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:20 am



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 12):
Other than, of course, "...just because we said so."

Had I not uploaded this shot indicating it was a simulator, it would have been accepted. And therein lies the issue here.

Well, I'm with Nik on this issue, I'd rather not see sim shots at all, but I am also glad that somewhere the line is drawn in regards of detail. Otherwise, I shall start taking photos like the one below... surely there's got to be a nut like this somewhere in a simulator...

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Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:48 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
First I would like to say I am against Sim shots being acceptable here,



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
IMO it's cheating. I mean what if I can go to Dave and Busters and get a shot from that flight Sim game into the DB?



Quoting TransIsland (Reply 13):
Well, I'm with Nik on this issue, I'd rather not see sim shots at all

I think both of you are off your rocker. A flight sim shot shouldn't be here? What a crock of you know what!

Eitherway, that shot above that Chris posted should've been accepted IMO. Especially with the new "Creative" rules in place! Simulators should abide by the same rules as typical flightdecks. And for those that don't think Sim Shots belong on here, take a look at the idea behind this website.

Personally, I think you all that don't think they belong are jealous of people that get them, or have them in their collection.
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:05 am



Quoting Lexy (Reply 14):
Especially with the new "Creative" rules in place!

Well... my idea of creative may be different, but I've seen a lot of very questionable stuff accepted using the "creative" excuse, too, while at the same time I can point out loads of very creative and stunning photographs accepted prior to 08/2008.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 14):
Personally, I think you all that don't think they belong are jealous of people that get them, or have them in their collection.

Think all you like, but there are types of shots that just don't do it for me, and flight decks in general (hence I'm glad there's restrictions on sims) and cabin views are two of them. Now, I may not have frequent flight deck or sim access, but I sure as hell see enough airliner cabins' insides. Do I take photos? Rarely. On the other hand, I love wing views, and upload a fair amount of those, fully aware of the fact that there are others out there who don't like that particular type of shot.

So, I guess to each their own. But draw lines somewhere... and with sims it happens to be the close-up details. (Hey, maybe next wing view I'll try a close-up of the "do not walk outside of this line"-line  Wink)
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:16 am

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 15):
Well... my idea of creative may be different, but I've seen a lot of very questionable stuff accepted using the "creative" excuse, too, while at the same time I can point out loads of very creative and stunning photographs accepted prior to 08/2008.

We can agree on that and i'll add that many "creative" shots were rejected during that period. Most will agree with that.

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 15):
Think all you like, but there are types of shots that just don't do it for me, and flight decks in general (hence I'm glad there's restrictions on sims) and cabin views are two of them. Now, I may not have frequent flight deck or sim access, but I sure as hell see enough airliner cabins' insides. Do I take photos? Rarely. On the other hand, I love wing views, and upload a fair amount of those, fully aware of the fact that there are others out there who don't like that particular type of shot.

So, I guess to each their own. But draw lines somewhere... and with sims it happens to be the close-up details. (Hey, maybe next wing view I'll try a close-up of the "do not walk outside of this line"-line )

You are right, to each their own. But the throttles are a important piece of the flightdeck on a sim and on a plane. The "do not walk outside this line" line is hardly important to the operation of the aircraft. But if you want a pic of that, be my guest. Being a smart a## will get you nowhere in this field.

On a more serious note, if flightdeck shots don't do it for you, why did you even bother to reply to this thread in the first place. I would've taken the high road and kept my nose out of it if I were you. It would only seem fair to the OP.

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Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:21 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
IMO it's cheating. I mean what if I can go to Dave and Busters and get a shot from that flight Sim game into the DB? I feel the object of aviation photography is to actually photgraph aircraft. Not a machine used to help us learn to fly them.

I respectfully disagree with this statement... any simulator you see anywhere is nothing like one of these sims. If you go in a professional simulator (which run upwards of $30 million each, I believe), you'll realize they ARE cockpits. The graphics are photorealistic, and the cockpit just like any real airplane's. Without a doubt they're an extremely important aspect of commercial aviation, and I think that's what this site shows.

Plus, the fact that you can get a type rating on a computer says it must be pretty damn good.
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Quoting Airplanenut (Reply 17):
you'll realize they ARE cockpits.

I know of one sim...technically an FTD, actually...that used to fly passengers for United.

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Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:38 am



Quoting Lexy (Reply 16):
Ummm, what about this.....

And that was before the new rules!

Some people can like cockpit shots (I do!) and other might not, and that's perfectly fine, but IMO the rejection doesnn't make too much sense. If sims are forbidden alltogether, as a rule, then ok (on the basis that it's not a real aircraft), but only accepting whole views but not details just seems ... dunno, I don't really get it. btw, both shots are nice, but the rejected one is really, really a delight.

question for the experts, could that shot have gone through if it was uploaded with a proper reg.? meaning, can the difference be seen between a real a/c and the sim?

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RE: Motive Rejection: Advice - Clarification Sought

Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:38 am



Quoting Lexy (Reply 16):
On a more serious note, if flightdeck shots don't do it for you, why did you even bother to reply to this thread in the first place. I would've taken the high road and kept my nose out of it if I were you. It would only seem fair to the OP.

Thanks for your friendly advice, and for the not so friendly name you called me, too. I initially replied in this thread, because the thread starter had asked for clarification of the screener's comment. I thought I could be helpful here. Besides, as it was rejected for motive, the discussion about how much detail of a sim is acceptable, is what this thread is all about. But then again, what would I, as a "smart a##" know about the "high road"? Tell me, is it a scenic drive?

Quoting Lexy (Reply 16):
Double standard??

Only if this is a *really* fancy simulator!


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Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:41 am



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 19):
question for the experts, could that shot have gone through if it was uploaded with a proper reg.? meaning, can the difference be seen between a real a/c and the sim?

On an aside, every certified flight simulator does indeed have an FAA registration number. Granted, they aren't N numbers. The first simulator shot I uploaded I used its FAA ID but it was rejected for info.
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Quoting TransIsland (Reply 20):
Only if this is a *really* fancy simulator!

With all due respect, you are completely missing the point of this thread.
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:45 am



Quoting TransIsland (Reply 20):
Thanks for your friendly advice, and for the not so friendly name you called me, too.

I was describing your previous reply, not calling you a name. I don't resort to name calling on the computer, rather I do that to people's faces if the need is there. LOL!!

As for the high road, don't know about the view. I've never had to take it.

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 20):
Only if this is a *really* fancy simulator!

That doesn't count and it really isn't a "good enough" reason to accept an image that is basically the same motive as the one rejected.
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:49 am



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 22):

With all due respect, you are completely missing the point of this thread.

I'm sorry. I was under the impression that you questioned to validity of a motive rejection of a photo that showed a simulator detail. It was then pointed out that details are acceptable for "real" cockpits, but not for sims. Then, somebody else cries *double standards* after finding a detail shot of a "real" cockpit, so I just pointed out that that bird is indeed capable of flight, and not just simulating it.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 23):

I was describing your previous reply, not calling you a name. I don't resort to name calling on the computer, rather I do that to people's faces if the need is there. LOL!!

With all due respect, you called me a "smart a##," and forgive me for translating the hash sign into an "s" ...
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:59 am



Quoting TransIsland (Reply 24):
It was then pointed out that details are acceptable for "real" cockpits, but not for sims.

And yet no one can give me a logical answer as to why, other than "just because" or "we feel like it." That is the point of this thread.
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Quoting Flynavy (Reply 25):
And yet no one can give me a logical answer as to why, other than "just because" or "we feel like it." That is the point of this thread.

And that's a new development at a.net? C'mon... surely you're a.net veteran enough to realise that *they* make the rules the way *they* see fit. All I was saying that I support this particular one. Big grin
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:04 am



Quoting TransIsland (Reply 24):
With all due respect, you called me a "smart a##," and forgive me for translating the hash sign into an "s" ...

Whatever. If you want to make it out that way, then so be it. I'm not going to set here and argue over something as trival as this. Especially when I can almost guarantee it isn't the first time your actions have been described in this light. But whatever.

Chris, it's highly unlikely you will get a straight answer from anyone on here because there isn't one to give. Admitting they were wrong is like asking them to....oh never mind. It isn't worth it. LOL!!
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:32 am



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 12):
And that's my point - why? There are photos in the database (some accepted recently as I said, all of which are fine shots) that are not "complete" flight decks. Why should a shot of a simulator be required to show a complete flight deck?

Chris I disagree, I think if that shot was of an actual flight deck it still would have got the motive rejection.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 12):
Had I not uploaded this shot indicating it was a simulator, it would have been accepted. And therein lies the issue here

I doubt it, something about the instruments being cut in half is just not pleasing to the eye.

Quoting Lexy (Reply 14):
Personally, I think you all that don't think they belong are jealous of people that get them, or have them in their collection.

Why? I have the resources to get flight deck shots, both sim and real aircraft. I just don't rush to shoot them because they are popular. Which I would venture to say many here do. Fact is some of us that don't agree with them feel aviation photography should include a real aircraft. No jealousy here.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 25):
And yet no one can give me a logical answer as to why, other than "just because" or "we feel like it." That is the point of this thread.

I actually agree with Chris here, if you are going to allow sims they may as well be treated the same as a real flight deck.
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:34 am

I implore you folks to keep this discussion constructive. The point of this thread wasn't to incite a petty dispute, it was to get clarification from the screeners on this specific rejection so all photographers can make note of it for future contributions to the database.
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 28):
Chris I disagree, I think if that shot was of an actual flight deck it still would have got the motive rejection.

Not true...

For example Ryan (Silver1SWA) has a awesome shot of a similar motive in the database. His shot is of an actual aircraft. Again, I'll quote the rejection comment: "737-4_2.jpg only overviews for sims"
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:41 am



Quoting TransIsland (Reply 11):
I'd say the message means that simulator shots should show a "complete" flight deck ("overview"), not just one detail of it - as your rejected shot does.



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 28):
I actually agree with Chris here, if you are going to allow sims they may as well be treated the same as a real flight deck.

Just a guess...maybe they want it to be apparent somehow just by looking at the photo that it is a flight simulator. By allowing complete overviews, viewers can often tell, usually by the view out the window that the flightdeck is a sim.
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Quoting Flynavy (Reply 30):
For example Ryan (Silver1SWA) has a awesome shot of a similar motive in the database

Let's take a look at that pic Chris shall we? BTW great shot Ryan! See you in LAS soon I hope!  wave 




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Now maybe I am crazy but Ryan's crop is much cleaner and better than yours. As is the angle from which it is shot. Now not withstanding anet's policy or personal message you received from screener your shot did warrant a motive rejection. It's awkard to look at from the angle you shot it and the weird crop of the instruments just adds to it. I do believe sims should be treated the same if someone is going to allow them but your shot falls short regardless. If you look at both your shot and Ryan's side by side and put aside the sematics you should see it.
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:01 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 32):
I do believe sims should be treated the same if someone is going to allow them but your shot falls short regardless.

It didn't fall short to the screener (simulator motive notwithstanding). Thank you for your intriguing analysis.
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:36 am

The rule is quite simply, we only allow full cockpit views for sims. We had a hard time deciding a few years ago whether or not to even let them in and then decided closeups etc. are not allowed.

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Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:02 am



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 34):

What is the logic behind this?

Some might say I'm pressing the issue but can you give me a clear and concise reason?
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:11 am

Because sims are not actual aircraft and therefore we want to limit their number on here. They also have to be of the very best quality and it needs to be made clear in the info that it's a sim.

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Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:14 am



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 36):
Because sims are not actual aircraft and therefore we want to limit their number on here.

I can certainly see the logic in that, however not many folks have access to simulator facilities anyway. This reasoning, IMO, is a solution to a problem that doesn't, and won't, exist.

Clearly these types of shots bring something unique to the site.

As for your second point, which is essentially moot, all of my simulator shots met the screening standards and were clearly identified as such upon upload.
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:22 am

didnt say your shots didnt meet the standards, merely pointed out the requirement for sim shots.

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Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:28 am



Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 38):
didnt say your shots didnt meet the standards, merely pointed out the requirement for sim shots.

Okay Tim, though I must say I strongly disagree with the reasoning here. Duly noted.

I will, however, continue to upload high-quality, full simulator cockpit shots much to NIKV69, TransIsland's, and anyone else who doesn't want to see them's dismay.  flamed 
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Quoting Flynavy (Reply 33):
Thank you for your intriguing analysis.

Your taking this a little too personally Chris, which is why you can't accept this rejection. If you are going to post these threads put the vendetta aside and try to look at it a little differently. Fact remains that even if anet's rule didn't exist about sim overview this shot is badmotive. I think my comparison to Ryan's shot clearly points that out with no personality involved.

Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 36):
Because sims are not actual aircraft

Amen.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 37):
however not many folks have access to simulator facilities anyway

So what does that have to do with anything?

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 37):
Clearly these types of shots bring something unique to the site.

Ahhh I get it, you mean hits don't you Chris? How come I knew this would come back to a pic bringing traffic to the site thing? Which is great but the shots still have to meet a certain criteria.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 39):
I will, however, continue to upload high-quality, full simulator cockpit shots much to NIKV69, TransIsland's, and anyone else who doesn't want to see them's dismay

Chris did you read anything? It is not that we don't want to see cockpit shots. We just prefer that it be a real cockpit and that anything you see outside the windshield is real and not computer generated.
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 40):
Your taking this a little too personally Chris, which is why you can't accept this rejection.

Please, give me a break. I accepted the rejection a long time ago.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 40):
Ahhh I get it, you mean hits don't you Chris?

NO! Why must you spin each and every post I make into something it isn't?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 40):
It is not that we don't want to see cockpit shots. We just prefer that it be a real cockpit and that anything you see outside the windshield is real and not computer generated.

Who the hell are you to speak for "we"?
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 8):
IMO it's cheating. I mean what if I can go to Dave and Busters and get a shot from that flight Sim game into the DB? I feel the object of aviation photography is to actually photgraph aircraft. Not a machine used to help us learn to fly them.

Are you aware of exactly how much sims replicate real aircraft???
 
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:29 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 40):
We just prefer that it be a real cockpit and that anything you see outside the windshield is real and not computer generated.

I for one like flight sim shots since the only way I have to actually see one is through pictures. Of course the real deal is amazing, but sims have the unique twist of being incredibly realistic machines and that if it weren't for the view from them they look exactl like real ones (at least to me they do  Smile )
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:40 pm

I like to see simulator shots - they are machines that we don't often see.

Why can't we just have a category for professional simulator equipment and be done with it? IE, not these backyard construction things running FS9 and PMDG B744, but the real deals, listed by their manufacturer and what they simulate - eg, Singer/Redifon - Concorde.

That solves all the issues doesn't it?
 
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Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:55 pm



Quoting Flynavy (Reply 41):
I accepted the rejection a long time ago.

Actually Chris you have been campaigning to have sim shots treated the same as actual flight deck shots in addition to arguing the motive which falls a tad short.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 41):
NO! Why must you spin each and every post I make into something it isn't?

Hmm lets quote you from this thread.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 9):
I would argue that flight simulator cockpit shots have brought a lot of traffic to the site over the years. Just do a Google search for something like '737 simulator photo' - an Airliners.net hit appears on the first page of results.

I am not spinning anything Chris. Your words here and in the past speak clearly. I would bet you a weeks salary that if sim flight deck shots got very little views and shots of a Piper Cherokee got a lot of views you would cease bringing your camera to work and get down to the local airport a bit more.

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 41):
Who the hell are you to speak for "we"?

Myself and Transland would qualify as "we" wouldn't it Chris? I know it is a shock to you to see someone beside myself think a certain way but your letting it get personal again Chris. Take a deep breath and relax.
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Quoting Cpd (Reply 44):
Why can't we just have a category for professional simulator equipment and be done with it? IE, not these backyard construction things running FS9 and PMDG B744, but the real deals, listed by their manufacturer and what they simulate - eg, Singer/Redifon - Concorde.

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Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:15 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 45):
I am not spinning anything Chris. Your words here and in the past speak clearly. I would bet you a weeks salary that if sim flight deck shots got very little views and shots of a Piper Cherokee got a lot of views you would cease bringing your camera to work and get down to the local airport a bit more.

He has more shots from "the airport" than he does from the sims. You would be surprised with just a tiny bit of research on your part.

Is it personal with you or what's your beef with him anyway??
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Quoting Lexy (Reply 47):
Is it personal with you or what's your beef with him anyway??

I agree 100% on this.
 
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RE: Motive Rejection: Advice - Clarification Sought

Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:26 pm

Ok guys,

this thread is going out of control and it has been discussed enough and it is starting to get personal.

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